Yeah, I know. There's a reason I don't house rule much of anything, because PF2e is very carefully designed. Balance is why they finally came after my nemesis, the abomination known as the gnomish flickmace.

(Bulk can't be blamed on balance, though. It's just a very silly abstract mechanic.)

Thank you. From now on, his gnomish flickmace is named Bad Takes.

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I guess the unique thing about the Sure Strike discussion is that it’s a pretty hard nerf without an alternative to fall back on, so it triggers stronger emotions in people who liked it as-is. Flickmace was OP, but fighters can be good with 1d4 daggers. Attack roll casters lost their primary tool.

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And their takes on game mechanics and balance sound to any experienced player like they are saying nonsense roughly equal to "If you arranged your ducks in a row and played flickmace fighter you max out your croissants and start a family."

at least it's not a damn flickmace

I know #Pathfinder2e dialogue hasn't been perfect but I know there was a time when a mechanics change wasn't as toxic as I've seen about sure strike.

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Now it is like a fighter archetype
Weak to one of the common dmg types
Can't do heavy armor
Limited weapon selection
Vs
Basic fighter

Gnome flickmace period

I'm afraid that was my first game. My GM was very kind and let me do extra actions using athletics as a debuff but I'm afraid you've lost me with those numbers. As I say, I definitely don't have system mastery so just tried to follow the guides for things like gnomish flickmace etc.

i'm sorry for even ironically saying i would use the goblin flickmace

me telling my player that it's gonna be a super hard one-shot and he can roll the OP Flickmace Fighter build if he wants: 😊😊😊

me seeing the Flickmace Fighter in action:

They nerfed flickmace it’s fine

Ugh, flickmace. One of the many stains of the subreddit's myopic and sabotaging hyperoptimisation. It was cheezy but it was also the exact kind of brute-force powergaming that relies completely on luck.

Not your fault, the base has just had a REALLY ineffectual meta analysis for some time now.

Which means flickmace OP, casters are weak, Exemplar mandatory, PF2e hard and requires min-max, and most relevantly to your problem "PF2e players hate homebrew and are rules lawyers that won't bend"

Unless any of that needs to be false for them to be right.