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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 22m

It's kind of just not accurate to flatten this into a question of proximity to "whiteness" because it's really more like radiating concentric circles of proximity to the titular ethnicity of a given European country.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 29m

I should clarify, because I think people missed my point slightly. What I am saying here is that racism in the UK and indeed most of Europe is based on a tripartite model where a racist will perceive two types of foreign object - "non-white" and "white but foreign" and hate them in different ways.

Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

One of my least favourite things is when some Anglobrained people will sort of internalise these concepts, but only halfway, so they end up saying things like ACTUALLY FOR INSTANCE IN THE UK THEY DONT EVEN REGARD POLES AS WHITE. THEY SUBJECT THEM TO RACISM THERE.

Those are two different sentences.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 42m

Block, report, move on.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 43m

Guys I don't want to sound like your da but we all do have to get much better about not arguing with newly created accounts with no avatar or followers.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

No one here in the UK regards me as "not white." That's just not an accurate name for the category they place me mentally in.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

One of my least favourite things is when some Anglobrained people will sort of internalise these concepts, but only halfway, so they end up saying things like ACTUALLY FOR INSTANCE IN THE UK THEY DONT EVEN REGARD POLES AS WHITE. THEY SUBJECT THEM TO RACISM THERE.

Those are two different sentences.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

One of my least favourite things is when some Anglobrained people will sort of internalise these concepts, but only halfway, so they end up saying things like ACTUALLY FOR INSTANCE IN THE UK THEY DONT EVEN REGARD POLES AS WHITE. THEY SUBJECT THEM TO RACISM THERE.

Those are two different sentences.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

It becomes way freakier when you consider that all of these languages are /way/ more mutually intelligible than say the Semitic languages

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

The Baltic German ascendancy in pre-1918 Latvia and Estonia is described as a system of apartheid by historians relatively regularly. As you know, "semantic" arguments on it are ultimately just a deflection from openly discussing whether apartheid in I-P /works/ like apartheid.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

The thing as well is that if you look into academia there is actually a lot of examples of historians and sociologists describing phenomena that work similarly but aren't /literally/ using the terms "black" and "white" for their categories all over the world.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

Technically if he's a Turkey Turk that more or less geographically cannot be correct

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Emissary Of Night | ليلى @diplomatofnight.com · 6h

Indeed. The issue is not "Jews are white and Palestinians are brown" the issue is the state of Israel, defined constitutionally as a Jewish state in its political, legal, and social character is as a result explicitly exclusionary and creates 2nd and 3rd tiers of life. It is racial, just arbitrary.

Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

What it means is quite literally that you can, in fact, find people of physical traits you wouldn't expect in almost every ethnic group in the world. There are Saudis who are natural blondes and Finns whose grandparents were all born there who are remarkably swarthy. It just happens.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

you'll occasionally meet an istanbuller who is corpse pale and be like "ah yes. had an ancestor in the varangian guard did we"

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 6h

On some level if people dont regularly meet Turks I guess I can understand the surprise, but they do really cover almost the entire spectrum of what colours people can be.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

Along the edges of nationhood and identity such questions become especially murky.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

As a banal example: if I adopt a child and raise them to be a Lithuanian speaker, they are obviously a participant in the Lithuanian culture and an heir to its inheritance even if they dont have one drop of Lithuanian blood. And no one would really even dispute that.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

Anyway another thing that white Americans will probably have an aneurysm over is that what constitutes a people and, consequently, a legitimate claim to a homeland is a hugely disputed historical notion and "ancestry and inheritance" is by no means universally accepted. Or simple. Or unproblematic.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

At risk of sounding like a Turkish nationalist I will count this as "closest."

Phoebe ↙️↙️↙️ @pcberry.bsky.social · 7h

Cyprus

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

It's Turkey. Well done to everyone who got close.

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Teleri Dockworkers Union @yungdreyfusard.bsky.social · 7h

read theory (my posts talking with you about the ethnogenesis of the easterlings in the silmarillion)

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

This is a social experiment, not a shitpost competition.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

Good shout but no, and to make this fair I will eliminate North America as a whole

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

Where is this man from? Closest answer wins.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

The direct negative in the OP is fucked but you people know what I mean.

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Drow Paweł Włodkowic 🇺🇦🇱🇹🇵🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @dov.bsky.social · 7h

What it means is quite literally that you can, in fact, find people of physical traits you wouldn't expect in almost every ethnic group in the world. There are Saudis who are natural blondes and Finns whose grandparents were all born there who are remarkably swarthy. It just happens.

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