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Haha, this is hilarious editorializing
November 25, 2025 at 9:23 PM
Haha, this is hilarious editorializing
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As an example, in Leila Murad's famous song satirizing classical Arabic grammar:
ان جاء زيدٌ او حضر عمرو
طب و احنا مالنا ان شٱلله ما حضرو
0:40
youtu.be/ROFw6yG-msk?...
ان جاء زيدٌ او حضر عمرو
طب و احنا مالنا ان شٱلله ما حضرو
0:40
youtu.be/ROFw6yG-msk?...
أغنية أبجد هوز لليلى مراد من كلمات حسين السيد ولحن محمد عبد الوهاب ( فيلم غزل البنات )
YouTube video by Dr. Hussein Kandiel - قناة العصر الذهبى لفن زمان
youtu.be
November 24, 2025 at 7:43 PM
As an example, in Leila Murad's famous song satirizing classical Arabic grammar:
ان جاء زيدٌ او حضر عمرو
طب و احنا مالنا ان شٱلله ما حضرو
0:40
youtu.be/ROFw6yG-msk?...
ان جاء زيدٌ او حضر عمرو
طب و احنا مالنا ان شٱلله ما حضرو
0:40
youtu.be/ROFw6yG-msk?...
this isn't at all the meat of this paper (his 2018 msc diss) but imho the fact that someone steeped in academia was available to think about orthography as early as 2018 makes the bad preliminary discussion of arabizi in the 2019 semitic languages handbook's levantine chapter even more frustrating
November 19, 2025 at 8:42 AM
this isn't at all the meat of this paper (his 2018 msc diss) but imho the fact that someone steeped in academia was available to think about orthography as early as 2018 makes the bad preliminary discussion of arabizi in the 2019 semitic languages handbook's levantine chapter even more frustrating
(homophonous with the word for like "struggle, dire straits, bad times" which was deemphasized from ض ي ق and come to think of it matches what you're saying pretty well)
November 18, 2025 at 12:47 AM
(homophonous with the word for like "struggle, dire straits, bad times" which was deemphasized from ض ي ق and come to think of it matches what you're saying pretty well)
did you see the alternative form 😵💫
November 18, 2025 at 12:46 AM
did you see the alternative form 😵💫
becker 1964 p. 76, favorite attested loanword possibly ever (implied singular vyawle 'vowel')
November 17, 2025 at 7:45 AM
becker 1964 p. 76, favorite attested loanword possibly ever (implied singular vyawle 'vowel')
but this is all insanely nebulous
November 16, 2025 at 8:09 AM
but this is all insanely nebulous
this also still doesn't cover eg jinarlik without some more creativity (dissimilations metatheses whatever else)
but btw an etymon of jararank w/o initial /a/ (as proposed in the *gla- idea) would also lend itself to eg > jrink better than *jararank which i would've thought would reduce to *jarrank
but btw an etymon of jararank w/o initial /a/ (as proposed in the *gla- idea) would also lend itself to eg > jrink better than *jararank which i would've thought would reduce to *jarrank
November 16, 2025 at 8:09 AM
this also still doesn't cover eg jinarlik without some more creativity (dissimilations metatheses whatever else)
but btw an etymon of jararank w/o initial /a/ (as proposed in the *gla- idea) would also lend itself to eg > jrink better than *jararank which i would've thought would reduce to *jarrank
but btw an etymon of jararank w/o initial /a/ (as proposed in the *gla- idea) would also lend itself to eg > jrink better than *jararank which i would've thought would reduce to *jarrank
*de la reine claude 🤦♀️
*at times (re)borrowed from turkish to arabic, ie i dont think that was the original route but it could have happened later to produce forms like jānarik?
*at times (re)borrowed from turkish to arabic, ie i dont think that was the original route but it could have happened later to produce forms like jānarik?
November 16, 2025 at 8:02 AM
*de la reine claude 🤦♀️
*at times (re)borrowed from turkish to arabic, ie i dont think that was the original route but it could have happened later to produce forms like jānarik?
*at times (re)borrowed from turkish to arabic, ie i dont think that was the original route but it could have happened later to produce forms like jānarik?
very apocryphal-sounding origin story...
November 16, 2025 at 7:59 AM
very apocryphal-sounding origin story...
nothing so i have no explanation for d > j (what, də la- > dla- > lateral release > gla- lol?) or for the -laude disappearing (definite الـ confusion?) or how and at time this could have happened etc but it made my ears perk up
hell even the word greengage in english has similar consonants and a/
hell even the word greengage in english has similar consonants and a/
November 16, 2025 at 7:59 AM
nothing so i have no explanation for d > j (what, də la- > dla- > lateral release > gla- lol?) or for the -laude disappearing (definite الـ confusion?) or how and at time this could have happened etc but it made my ears perk up
hell even the word greengage in english has similar consonants and a/
hell even the word greengage in english has similar consonants and a/
so this is another idea: what if jararank is original and it's somehow related to french "prune 'de la main c'-laude", and jirank and stuff are reductions of it, and janērik and stuff are attempted fittings of the term onto a more native plural-y pattern...
this idea so far hedges for basically
this idea so far hedges for basically
November 16, 2025 at 7:59 AM
so this is another idea: what if jararank is original and it's somehow related to french "prune 'de la main c'-laude", and jirank and stuff are reductions of it, and janērik and stuff are attempted fittings of the term onto a more native plural-y pattern...
this idea so far hedges for basically
this idea so far hedges for basically
and then as if that wasn't enough you look at the ottoman turkish term and it literally means "soul plum", which to me screams phonosemantic matching not native turkic name
surely instead can eriği was borrowed from arabic or the same source as arabic (wanderwort?), albeit maybe reborrowed at times
surely instead can eriği was borrowed from arabic or the same source as arabic (wanderwort?), albeit maybe reborrowed at times
November 16, 2025 at 7:59 AM
and then as if that wasn't enough you look at the ottoman turkish term and it literally means "soul plum", which to me screams phonosemantic matching not native turkic name
surely instead can eriği was borrowed from arabic or the same source as arabic (wanderwort?), albeit maybe reborrowed at times
surely instead can eriği was borrowed from arabic or the same source as arabic (wanderwort?), albeit maybe reborrowed at times
but how are you supposed to get to jararank, jarining (forgot this one, still unsure if it's jarining or jarīning), jinarlik 😭 too much!
in a vacuum they could be understandable reduplications of jrink or something, but that kind of derivation just doesn't happen in (levantine) arabic specifically
in a vacuum they could be understandable reduplications of jrink or something, but that kind of derivation just doesn't happen in (levantine) arabic specifically
November 16, 2025 at 7:59 AM
but how are you supposed to get to jararank, jarining (forgot this one, still unsure if it's jarining or jarīning), jinarlik 😭 too much!
in a vacuum they could be understandable reduplications of jrink or something, but that kind of derivation just doesn't happen in (levantine) arabic specifically
in a vacuum they could be understandable reduplications of jrink or something, but that kind of derivation just doesn't happen in (levantine) arabic specifically
from can eriği you can easily get to jarēnik/g and by metathesis janērik/g, sure, but afterwards the alifless variants are already tough
they're def not backformed singulars or else we'd see normal vowelings like *jVnrVk too… *maybe* janark, *jarank as loan reductions then *jarank > jirank > jrink?
they're def not backformed singulars or else we'd see normal vowelings like *jVnrVk too… *maybe* janark, *jarank as loan reductions then *jarank > jirank > jrink?
![screenshot of twitter convo:
@badrophobia · 3/22/20
Okay let's settle this [posted a poll, results follow]
Jaranek: 16%
Jrink: 9%
Jnarek: 2%
Janerek: 73%
266 votes · Final results
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Robert
@bemyieh
I mean i say janark
07:21 · 3/22/20
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@badrophobia · 3/22/20
LEH FE ALEF KELME
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November 16, 2025 at 7:59 AM
from can eriği you can easily get to jarēnik/g and by metathesis janērik/g, sure, but afterwards the alifless variants are already tough
they're def not backformed singulars or else we'd see normal vowelings like *jVnrVk too… *maybe* janark, *jarank as loan reductions then *jarank > jirank > jrink?
they're def not backformed singulars or else we'd see normal vowelings like *jVnrVk too… *maybe* janark, *jarank as loan reductions then *jarank > jirank > jrink?
…am i insane or does [...]de-la-reine-c[...] /də-la-rɛn-k/ match جررنك ǧararank
(the d -> j makes me think portuguese although of course there's no "de la" in portuguese...) (also if the plum was named after her during her lifetime it could be old enough to support crazy sound shifts over time…?)
(the d -> j makes me think portuguese although of course there's no "de la" in portuguese...) (also if the plum was named after her during her lifetime it could be old enough to support crazy sound shifts over time…?)
![screenshot of wiktionary entry:
French
Etymology
Earlier prune de la Reine Claude, named after Queen Claude (1499–1524).
Pronunciation
• IPA(key): /ʁɛn.klod/
Audio (France (Lyon)): [playable audio file]
Noun
reine-claude f (plural reines-claudes)
1. greengage (plum with greenish-yellow flesh and skin)](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5gvygd24ilrqmbgsii2zzp3v/bafkreihtd3rtyxe4d6mfwwltue7vwokqqoo2qvjplzaspmcyzcf6g74cii@jpeg)
November 16, 2025 at 6:09 AM
…am i insane or does [...]de-la-reine-c[...] /də-la-rɛn-k/ match جررنك ǧararank
(the d -> j makes me think portuguese although of course there's no "de la" in portuguese...) (also if the plum was named after her during her lifetime it could be old enough to support crazy sound shifts over time…?)
(the d -> j makes me think portuguese although of course there's no "de la" in portuguese...) (also if the plum was named after her during her lifetime it could be old enough to support crazy sound shifts over time…?)
separately what's the original form of this word :o i don't know it but my guess is maybe زاجرة?
November 16, 2025 at 3:45 AM
separately what's the original form of this word :o i don't know it but my guess is maybe زاجرة?
(i have my suspicions about it actually being from can eriği rather than being some wanderwort that (1) was weird enough in form that it lent itself to all these arabic derivations and (2) was only phonosemantically matched in ottoman turkish to "soul plum" but i could be wrong/haven't researched)
November 16, 2025 at 3:44 AM
(i have my suspicions about it actually being from can eriği rather than being some wanderwort that (1) was weird enough in form that it lent itself to all these arabic derivations and (2) was only phonosemantically matched in ottoman turkish to "soul plum" but i could be wrong/haven't researched)
technically i shouldn't have these on wiktionary because i don't have actual in-use attestations of all of them but similarly these are all actual variants of this word according to (iirc multiple people each from) from lebanese twitter
November 16, 2025 at 3:42 AM
technically i shouldn't have these on wiktionary because i don't have actual in-use attestations of all of them but similarly these are all actual variants of this word according to (iirc multiple people each from) from lebanese twitter