Along with a new 🇬🇧 member with enough 🛤️experience.
National Express could be that one. Jointly with SNCF + BA, managed Eurostar UK Ltd. from 1998 until 2000.
So, to sum it up:
1️⃣ Virgin 🇬🇧 - Renfe 🇪🇸 - NTV 🇮🇹
2️⃣ Gemini 🇬🇧 - Velvet 🇫🇷 - Le Train 🇫🇷 - GoHeuro 🇳🇱 Westbahn 🇦🇹
3️⃣ Evolyn 🇪🇸 - FlixTrain 🇩🇪 ???
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National Express could be that one. Jointly with SNCF + BA, managed Eurostar UK Ltd. from 1998 until 2000.
So, to sum it up:
1️⃣ Virgin 🇬🇧 - Renfe 🇪🇸 - NTV 🇮🇹
2️⃣ Gemini 🇬🇧 - Velvet 🇫🇷 - Le Train 🇫🇷 - GoHeuro 🇳🇱 Westbahn 🇦🇹
3️⃣ Evolyn 🇪🇸 - FlixTrain 🇩🇪 ???
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October 31, 2025 at 6:17 AM
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given that Evolyn has a sister company called Alsa (National express)
4️⃣ TI 🇮🇹 is probably too big already to team up with any other leading operator in Europe.
TI runs 🚄 in 🇮🇹🇫🇷🇪🇸, and will soon do in 🇵🇹🇩🇪.
+ 200km/h 🚅 in 🇬🇧🇬🇷.
Even though it will focus in 🇫🇷 on the PSE corridor, it may fall for PBAL.
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4️⃣ TI 🇮🇹 is probably too big already to team up with any other leading operator in Europe.
TI runs 🚄 in 🇮🇹🇫🇷🇪🇸, and will soon do in 🇵🇹🇩🇪.
+ 200km/h 🚅 in 🇬🇧🇬🇷.
Even though it will focus in 🇫🇷 on the PSE corridor, it may fall for PBAL.
🔜
October 31, 2025 at 5:24 AM
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(250km/h Giruno EMUs on Koralmbahn), AHEAD of ÖBB.
(And Velvet 🇫🇷 should absorb Le Train 🇫🇷, as both have Greater Western 🇫🇷 for cradle)
3️⃣ Evolyn is harder to bond, as too many details unknown.
If purely budget travel, then FlixTrain🇩🇪 looks quite credible.
But there might be competition law issues
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(And Velvet 🇫🇷 should absorb Le Train 🇫🇷, as both have Greater Western 🇫🇷 for cradle)
3️⃣ Evolyn is harder to bond, as too many details unknown.
If purely budget travel, then FlixTrain🇩🇪 looks quite credible.
But there might be competition law issues
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October 31, 2025 at 5:11 AM
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www.railmagazine.com/news/what-we... In the end, Virgin Trains Europe won the race, beating off competition from Trenitalia, Evolyn and Gemini. But the decision letter did give us a bit more insight into how it came to its conclusions and what this could mean for the future of international services
6 things we've learned from the decision to let Virgin use Temple Mills
As the dust settles on a decision which has felt a long time coming, RAIL has taken a look at what can be gleaned from the Office of Rail and Road’s 21-page decision letter regarding access to Eurosta...
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October 30, 2025 at 8:08 PM
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Virgin Trains ha sido elegida para acceder a los talleres de Temple Mills, lo que limita las aspiraciones de Gemini y Evolyn-Trenitalia de competir entre Londres y la Europa continental.
La ORR elige a Virgin Trains para competir contra Eurostar
El operador adquirirá 12 unidades del nuevo Avelia Stream a Alstom.
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October 30, 2025 at 6:17 PM
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Virgin Trains has secured access to the Temple Mills depot, curbing the ambitions of Gemini and Evolyn-Trenitalia to compete on routes between London and mainland Europe.
ORR selects Virgin Trains to challenge Eurostar
The operator will purchase 12 units of the new Avelia Stream from Alstom.
www.trenvista.net
October 30, 2025 at 6:17 PM
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Error 404m: Trenitalia, Gemini and Evolyn, not found.
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3️⃣ No viable and regular routes to any new destinations
4️⃣ Maybe a few services stopping at Ashford and Ebbsfleet again
5️⃣ Trenitalia will continue to expand, but UK won't benefit from it. Gemini and Evolyn will put their expertise behind someone else or something else
4️⃣ Maybe a few services stopping at Ashford and Ebbsfleet again
5️⃣ Trenitalia will continue to expand, but UK won't benefit from it. Gemini and Evolyn will put their expertise behind someone else or something else
October 30, 2025 at 11:25 AM
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And then there is Evolyn, the weakest bidder based on the submissions to ORR. I can't see what they do from here, at least not towards the UK
October 30, 2025 at 11:25 AM
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y8️⃣ junta directiva de la Asociación Europea de Transporte Ferroviario de Mercancías.
Anunció un preacuerdo para 10 Siemens Velaro Novo.
No creo que haya más de dos operadores (quizás 3 si se "dividen" los destinos) y -ahora mismo- Virgin está en cabeza, aunque creo que Trenitalia/Evolyn pujará.
Anunció un preacuerdo para 10 Siemens Velaro Novo.
No creo que haya más de dos operadores (quizás 3 si se "dividen" los destinos) y -ahora mismo- Virgin está en cabeza, aunque creo que Trenitalia/Evolyn pujará.
October 30, 2025 at 11:01 AM
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7️⃣ Trenitalia y Evolyn (familia Cosmen) se presentaron por separado, y después anunciaron un acuerdo.
No tienen problemas económicos (Trenitalia) ni de trenes (entre 12 y 20 Hitachi ETR 410).
Quien queda rezagado es Gemini/Uber, de Lord Tony Berkeley, un exingeniero del Eurotúnel y miembro de la
No tienen problemas económicos (Trenitalia) ni de trenes (entre 12 y 20 Hitachi ETR 410).
Quien queda rezagado es Gemini/Uber, de Lord Tony Berkeley, un exingeniero del Eurotúnel y miembro de la
October 30, 2025 at 11:01 AM
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Overall, ORR in fewer words:
- we think Virgin and Trenitalia are financially strong enough to do this
- Gemini and Evolyn are not
- we can better follow what Virgin would do than what Trenitalia would, and Virgin has nailed more of the details, so they get it
- we think Virgin and Trenitalia are financially strong enough to do this
- Gemini and Evolyn are not
- we can better follow what Virgin would do than what Trenitalia would, and Virgin has nailed more of the details, so they get it
October 30, 2025 at 10:02 AM
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1️⃣ La Oficina de Ferrocarriles y Carreteras del Reino Unido (ORR, la CNMC de allí) ha aprobado la solicitud de Virgin Trains para acceder al depósito de Temple Mills (el único con vías de 400 m), y ha rechazado las solicitudes de Evolyn, Gemini y Trenitalia.
www.orr.gov.uk/search-news/...
1️⃣ La Oficina de Ferrocarriles y Carreteras del Reino Unido (ORR, la CNMC de allí) ha aprobado la solicitud de Virgin Trains para acceder al depósito de Temple Mills (el único con vías de 400 m), y ha rechazado las solicitudes de Evolyn, Gemini y Trenitalia.
www.orr.gov.uk/search-news/...
Rail regulator opens door to future international train services with Temple Mills access approval for Virgin Trains | Office of Rail and Road
Rail regulator, the Office of Rail and Road (ORR), has today (Thursday 30 October) approved Virgin Trains’ application for access to Temple Mills International depot. Access to Temple Mills is an impo...
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October 30, 2025 at 10:03 AM
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And "Evolyn has proposed a fleet of 12 x 200m units, yet inconsistencies in its documentation - specifically references to 202m units - raise questions about infrastructure compatibility"
You know who has ordered those 202m double deck trains that Evolyn wanted?
EUROSTAR 😀
You know who has ordered those 202m double deck trains that Evolyn wanted?
EUROSTAR 😀
October 30, 2025 at 8:54 AM
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www.orr.gov.uk/search-news/... 🇬🇧 ORR set out its decision to approve Virgin Trains' application, and reject applications from Evolyn, Gemini and Trenitalia, in a decision letter today. Informed by independent análisis, and having also consideres Eurostar's growth plans, ORR considers that Virgin...
Rail regulator opens door to future international train services with Temple Mills access approval for Virgin Trains | Office of Rail and Road
Rail regulator, the Office of Rail and Road (ORR), has today (Thursday 30 October) approved Virgin Trains’ application for access to Temple Mills International depot. Access to Temple Mills is an impo...
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October 30, 2025 at 8:20 AM
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My first analysis of ORR granting Virgin Trains access to Temple Mills (and rejecting applications from Gemini, Trenitalia, Evolyn)
jonworth.eu/orr-grants-v...
#CrossChannelRail
jonworth.eu/orr-grants-v...
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ORR grants Virgin Trains access to Temple Mills: the low risk option - Jon Worth
The UK’s Office of Rail and Road has today decided that Virgin Trains should have access to the Temple Mills depot in east London to maintain its future Channel Tunnel fleet, and has rejected applicat...
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October 30, 2025 at 7:44 AM
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My first analysis of ORR granting Virgin Trains access to Temple Mills (and rejecting applications from Gemini, Trenitalia, Evolyn)
https://jonworth.eu/orr-grants-virgin-trains-access-to-temple-mills-the-low-risk-option/
#crosschannelrail
https://jonworth.eu/orr-grants-virgin-trains-access-to-temple-mills-the-low-risk-option/
#crosschannelrail
The UK’s Office of Rail and Road has today decided that Virgin Trains should have access to the Temple Mills depot in east London to maintain its future Channel Tunnel fleet, and has rejected applications from Trenitalia, Gemini and Evolyn to use the facility. It has also, importantly, rejected Eurostar’s position that only the incumbent operator should be able to use the depot. ORR has published a press release about the decision (web page) and decision letter (PDF).
The crucial line in the press release is this:
_Overall, Virgin Trains’ plans were more financially and operationally robust than those of other applicants, and it provided clear evidence of investor backing and an agreement in principle to deliver the necessary and appropriate rolling stock._
This is the gist of it. Virgin’s bid was simple, deliverable, achievable, rather uninspiring, and low risk. Reading its submissions prior to the decision (you can find them all here) you can imagine ORR nodding along and understanding what the implication of each part would be.
By contrast Gemini’s bid was radical – to not use St Pancras at all and terminate at Stratford. But this idea was marked down in ORR’s response, as it could not be fully costed. That might be justifiable, short term, but the capacity constraint at St Pancras is not going to go away. It is just likely not going to be Gemini that’s going to be finding a solution to that problem.
To not go with Trenitalia’s bid is harder to understand as so much of the Italian operator’s submission to ORR was redacted in public. I cannot believe they did not have finance in place, but little is known about the detail of their rolling stock strategy as a result of all the redactions. Trenitalia is the only operator that could, theoretically, run to London without access to Temple Mills – it will be interesting to now see how they proceed.
There are also losers from this. Those in Kent who have been pushing for the re-opening of Ebbsfleet and Ashford have little to cheer, as Virgin is not keen on those stations (and neither is the incumbent Eurostar either). Both Gemini (for Ebbsfleet) and Trenitalia (for Ashford) were keener.
Also the prospect of seeing direct trains from London to Germany and Switzerland is a more distant prospect today, as the Avelia Stream trains Virgin intends to order from Alstom will not be able to run under the 15kV electrification in those countries, so if anyone is to serve those destinations it is going to have to be Eurostar – and we have heard that from them before, and it would require their Avelia Horizon double deck trains to do it.
So today marks an important step towards competition through the Channel Tunnel. Given Eurostar’s sluggish complacency as the incumbent operator that has to be welcomed. But in opting for Virgin Trains – the most conservative and low risk of the rivals – I can’t help having this nagging feeling there is some opportunity missed here, even if, I suppose, some competition here is better than none at all.
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Breaking: the UK’s Office of Rail & Road has approved #VirginTrains’ application for access to #TempleMills depot, which is needed to launch services through the #ChannelTunnel, and has rejected applications from #Evolyn, #Gemini and #Trenitalia. Details to follow at www.railwaygazette.com
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. Eurostar
🙂 Proven track record
☹️ No plans to return to Ebbsfleet + Ashford.
Not to MLV / BSM / Marseilles or Avignon
💡Build Depot in Amsterdam (for 10 PBA + 8 E320s
+ ICE5 of NS+DB running on 🇳🇱-🇩🇪)
. Evolyn
🙂 Credible shareholder
☹️ Plans little known
🔜
🙂 Proven track record
☹️ No plans to return to Ebbsfleet + Ashford.
Not to MLV / BSM / Marseilles or Avignon
💡Build Depot in Amsterdam (for 10 PBA + 8 E320s
+ ICE5 of NS+DB running on 🇳🇱-🇩🇪)
. Evolyn
🙂 Credible shareholder
☹️ Plans little known
🔜
With ORR decision on access to Temple Mills depot due *this week*, I don't know what the outcome will be
I cannot see ORR deciding in Eurostar's favour (no one gets access) nor for Evolyn (bid was weak)
But which among Virgin, Gemini and Trenitalia get it? Impossible to say
#CrossChannelRail
I cannot see ORR deciding in Eurostar's favour (no one gets access) nor for Evolyn (bid was weak)
But which among Virgin, Gemini and Trenitalia get it? Impossible to say
#CrossChannelRail
October 29, 2025 at 10:01 PM
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With ORR decision on access to Temple Mills depot due *this week*, I don't know what the outcome will be
I cannot see ORR deciding in Eurostar's favour (no one gets access) nor for Evolyn (bid was weak)
But which among Virgin, Gemini and Trenitalia get it? Impossible to say
#CrossChannelRail
I cannot see ORR deciding in Eurostar's favour (no one gets access) nor for Evolyn (bid was weak)
But which among Virgin, Gemini and Trenitalia get it? Impossible to say
#CrossChannelRail
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With the ORR decision on access to Temple Mills depot due *this week*, I don't know what the outcome will be
I cannot see ORR deciding in Eurostar's favour (no one gets access) nor for Evolyn (their bid was weaker than the others)
But which among Virgin Trains, Gemini and Trenitalia then get […]
I cannot see ORR deciding in Eurostar's favour (no one gets access) nor for Evolyn (their bid was weaker than the others)
But which among Virgin Trains, Gemini and Trenitalia then get […]
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3️⃣ (de hace 30 años, y que apenas usa).
Los 30 Celestia se entregarán a partir de 2031
Para entonces ya estará la competencia, ya sea Trenitalia/Evolyn (familia Cosmen, en 2029), Gemini/Uber (Lord Tony Berkeley, en 12/2028) o VTE Holdings (Virgin, en 2030).
Quizás ya no necesiten más trenes para
Los 30 Celestia se entregarán a partir de 2031
Para entonces ya estará la competencia, ya sea Trenitalia/Evolyn (familia Cosmen, en 2029), Gemini/Uber (Lord Tony Berkeley, en 12/2028) o VTE Holdings (Virgin, en 2030).
Quizás ya no necesiten más trenes para
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www.railmagazine.com/news/who-wan... Evolyn, Gemini Trains, Trenitalia and Virgin are all hoping to be given access to use Temple Mills International Depot (TMI) so they can challenge Eurostar through the Channel Tunnel.
Who wants what: all the confirmed train plans from Eurostar and rivals
Eurostar and all four operators that want to start open access services through the Channel Tunnel have announced their new train plans.
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October 22, 2025 at 5:22 PM
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channel tunnel operators rating:
evolyn - said they had reached an agreement with alstom, alstom said they hadn't, so we love a bit of a lie
gemini - using uber branding (fuck off) and apparently have an agreement to get siemens velaro novo sets, meh
virgin - actually have experience running […]
evolyn - said they had reached an agreement with alstom, alstom said they hadn't, so we love a bit of a lie
gemini - using uber branding (fuck off) and apparently have an agreement to get siemens velaro novo sets, meh
virgin - actually have experience running […]
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October 17, 2025 at 8:54 AM
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y3️⃣
Eurostar (SNCF: 55,75%, Caisse du Quebec: 19,31%, Hermes Infrastructure: 6,44% y SNCB: 18,5%)
Trenitalia/Evolyn (familia Cosmen)
Gemini/Uber en 12/2028 (de Lord Tony Berkeley)
VTE Holdings (Virgin, sir Richard Branson)
SBB (Suiza)
Heuro (neerlandeses, hace mucho que no aparecen)
Veremos.
Eurostar (SNCF: 55,75%, Caisse du Quebec: 19,31%, Hermes Infrastructure: 6,44% y SNCB: 18,5%)
Trenitalia/Evolyn (familia Cosmen)
Gemini/Uber en 12/2028 (de Lord Tony Berkeley)
VTE Holdings (Virgin, sir Richard Branson)
SBB (Suiza)
Heuro (neerlandeses, hace mucho que no aparecen)
Veremos.
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