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She was young and beautiful; she wore fine clothes, and was what is called a "lady." And she called him "comrade"!
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you started this off by saying supply and demand doesn't affect housing prices. engels doesn't agree. maybe you don't agree with engels, but it's silly to say he's not saying renting isn't like shopping at the store when he very specifically, quite literally, says it is.
December 5, 2025 at 9:33 PM
you started this off by saying supply and demand doesn't affect housing prices. engels doesn't agree. maybe you don't agree with engels, but it's silly to say he's not saying renting isn't like shopping at the store when he very specifically, quite literally, says it is.
k, if you want to insist that when engels says in black ink "housing is the same kind of commodity as bread and groceries whose price is affected by supply and demand plus a few particulars" he actually means "no it isn't," feel free.
December 5, 2025 at 9:02 PM
k, if you want to insist that when engels says in black ink "housing is the same kind of commodity as bread and groceries whose price is affected by supply and demand plus a few particulars" he actually means "no it isn't," feel free.
Feel free to read the entire thing.
December 5, 2025 at 8:49 PM
Feel free to read the entire thing.
he is emphasing landlords aren't buying labor-power in part 1 because Proudhon insisted that the housing shortage is an exlusively working class question; Engels is explaning that buying housing isn't any different than buying groceries or bread.
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December 5, 2025 at 8:49 PM
he is emphasing landlords aren't buying labor-power in part 1 because Proudhon insisted that the housing shortage is an exlusively working class question; Engels is explaning that buying housing isn't any different than buying groceries or bread.
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Creation of housing = good, lowers prices
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
December 5, 2025 at 8:36 PM
Creation of housing = good, lowers prices
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
Creation of housing = good, lowers prices
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
December 5, 2025 at 8:36 PM
Creation of housing = good, lowers prices
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
Restriction of housing = bad, giveaway to rentiers
Rentierism is more backwards than capitalism because there is no creation of surplus value or productivity -- rentiers (historically) limit production in order to increase market prices of their goods, whereas capitalists dig their own grave by lowering prices thru competition. that's it.
December 5, 2025 at 8:34 PM
Rentierism is more backwards than capitalism because there is no creation of surplus value or productivity -- rentiers (historically) limit production in order to increase market prices of their goods, whereas capitalists dig their own grave by lowering prices thru competition. that's it.
this literally says it is subject to the same market forces as any other commodity. he is not talking about "social housing" here. no such thing existed in 1879.
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December 5, 2025 at 8:29 PM
this literally says it is subject to the same market forces as any other commodity. he is not talking about "social housing" here. no such thing existed in 1879.
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- I know about social housing lol i'm on leadership of NYC DSA's social housing campaign
- no that is not what he means by commodity. wealth comes from surplus value from labor + gifts of nature.
- no that is not what he means by commodity. wealth comes from surplus value from labor + gifts of nature.
December 5, 2025 at 8:00 PM
- I know about social housing lol i'm on leadership of NYC DSA's social housing campaign
- no that is not what he means by commodity. wealth comes from surplus value from labor + gifts of nature.
- no that is not what he means by commodity. wealth comes from surplus value from labor + gifts of nature.
k, what engels is saying is that rental housing is a commodity like any other wherein supply/demand affects the final market price.
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The concept of “supply and demand,” while itself generally useless on its own, is about trade goods, like wood or iron, where you’re trading equivalent value. Rent is not trade, it is extraction. Supply does nothing to guarantee affordability here.
December 5, 2025 at 4:09 PM
k, what engels is saying is that rental housing is a commodity like any other wherein supply/demand affects the final market price.
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the distinguishing factor is that renting housing is an ordinary commodity transaction, and continues on to say the tenant paying above or below its value is a mere circumstance of the market at that particular time. marx says the same thing throughout Capital.
December 4, 2025 at 7:31 PM
the distinguishing factor is that renting housing is an ordinary commodity transaction, and continues on to say the tenant paying above or below its value is a mere circumstance of the market at that particular time. marx says the same thing throughout Capital.
technically this is manchester socialism
December 4, 2025 at 12:02 AM
technically this is manchester socialism
December 3, 2025 at 11:58 PM
and also took shits in your garage
December 2, 2025 at 12:55 AM
and also took shits in your garage
"As indeed so often, a ruling class wanted the benefits of a change it was itself promoting, but the control or suppression of its less welcome but inseparable consequences."
December 2, 2025 at 12:49 AM
"As indeed so often, a ruling class wanted the benefits of a change it was itself promoting, but the control or suppression of its less welcome but inseparable consequences."