You can't have the same standard for hitting for all players. Some are superior defensively. And, having a high bar that is above Andruw Jones imagines a HOF that doesn't exist. Andre Dawson, Kirby Puckett and other inferior players are already in the HOF.

Chase Utley is the third.

IMO, the biggest problem is that Cadillac's entry level EV-SUV is still relatively large (claims compact, but is 190" long, which is mid-sized) and it's assembled in Mexico rather than being UAW built.

Mazeroski is a much more famous version of Frank White,* mostly because he hit a famous HR and had his name on an annual baseball magazine.

Joe Carter is a much more famous version of Jermaine Dye mostly because he hit a famous HR.

* Not the King of New York or pseudonym for Biggie Smalls

There are three players who are top 15 at their positions all-time, arguably higher.

Every website has a Bill Center. Some are more functional than others.

Joshua was KO'd in his last fight that was over a year ago, so between inactivity and what might be new wariness in the ring, he won't be what he was a couple years ago, much less 5.

Ken Sr. was also born in Donora. He was a 3-time All-Star so there's an intermediate level of greatness from that town.

Greg Nice, in retrospect, has a very strange argument that Gillespie played the sax in addition to the trumpet. Spoiler alert: he's wrong.

Except we're the hostage