ER 🇪🇺
@er2023.bsky.social
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🇬🇧resident since 1996,LB Camden resident since 2004,🇪🇺Citizen,Queue Jumper (c)Theresa May, Squalid Chapter (c)Keir Starmer,pro-EU,Social Liberal,aiming to be as woke as I can & a bit green-ish+pro-saving the world,against all forms of racism,own views.He/Him
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ajfarrelly.bsky.social
It was down to the FPTP electoral system. None of them had ever had the chance to cast a meaningful vote before (they all lived in safe seats). The referendum was their first opportunity to cast a vote that actually mattered, and they wanted to hurt the government. They ended up hurting themselves.
er2023.bsky.social
No,I don't think so,she was senior to me🙂
It was a video-conf,so difficult to gauge her reaction,a three-way conf with a (male) Project Mgr.She just stopped talking & stayed silent.I didn't understand she felt uncomfortable,until the P/M told me:"When you are in a hole, stop digging", so I stopped😂.
er2023.bsky.social
Yes, that too.
Several/many became "RemainerNow" after the Vote when they realised how stupid their vote was 🙂
er2023.bsky.social
Yes, thanks Andrew 🙂
Also applicable to EU enlargement in the East of Europe. 🙂
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andrewhj.bsky.social
Freedom.

Freedom from war
Freedom from constraints
Freedom to dream

Freedom
er2023.bsky.social
Also a Briton once raised the point to me that the UK never truly reconciled with Germany, which they still consider as an enemy (a rival?), if not still a Nazi country wanting to conquer Europe (through 🇪🇺), and so wholeheartedly supporting 🇪🇺 becomes difficult 🙂. 3/3
er2023.bsky.social
That's not to say that 🇬🇧 didn't suffer terribly during WWII (V2 bombings, Op Overlord). But "Never again" (on both sides) probably can't mean the same. 2/3
er2023.bsky.social
I agree 🙂
I'm not 100% sure I understand why, even after ca. 30 years living here. I attribute it (maybe wrongly) to the fact that 🇬🇧 was neither the victim, as an occupied country, nor the perpetrator of Crimes (war crimes, crimes against humanity) in WWII. 1/3
er2023.bsky.social
If that question is for me:Unity&peace in Europe b/w ctries at war w/ each other for centuries in the past.
For others it might be (e.g.):"Strength in numbers".Not a bad/stupid answer,just not mine.Many answers are valid.
"Spending as much time enjoying 😎 in 🇪🇸 as I want" is not a good answer imo.
er2023.bsky.social
I am certainly not forgetting (forgiving is another matter...) the guests of the soup kitchen (for want of a better word) I volunteered at for 15 years 2004-2019, who asked me when I was going home - the left-behind, the very target segment of Farage & Co.
er2023.bsky.social
My objective is the same.
er2023.bsky.social
I'm just trying to be fair to all.No,not all Leave voters were awful racists who voted to get rid of us,EU cits in 🇬🇧.
Some/many (most? I don't know) were & did. They even told me so in my face ("When are you going back 'home'?"). Many weren't & didn't.
And trying to bring nuance into your judgement🙂
er2023.bsky.social
Just to clarify, I participated in marches and supported the campaign for a 2nd referendum as a way to avoid Brexit, which I knew would be a disaster, until 31st Dec 2020. Everything changed on 1st Jan 2021, when the decision to Leave became irrevocable (without an Art. 49 application).
er2023.bsky.social
As a reminder,I don't want 🇬🇧 to join 🇪🇺 again.
I said it many times and am quite clear+vocal about this.
Not in the present state of affairs in 🇬🇧 anyway. Some day, possibly...
And as you say,🇬🇧 doesn't even meet the CC.My pov is just more "political" and less rules-based,coming to the same conclusion.
er2023.bsky.social
I can't answer for them,they would all have a different answer🙂
I can see that for Emma,with 2 disabled children & not much time for herself to think&reflect,to gather evidence+documentation, the idea that "we give £350m a week to 🇪🇺 [we didn't ofc],we could give it all to the NHS" could be enticing🙂
er2023.bsky.social
She voted Leave because she genuinely believed the NHS would get more money (for her children). Call her naive (she'd probably agree) - "selfish" on behalf of her children if you like (I wouldn't). Xenophobic, she was not, it's a slur on her. I have a lot of sympathy. 6/6
er2023.bsky.social
I remember in particular Emma, who was active in this RemainerNow group and is mentioned in this thread above ⬆️. A busy Mum of two disabled children, struggling to make ends meet. I find it extremely demanding on her to say she should have known the information that was readily available. 5/n
er2023.bsky.social
The idea was that if you want to change people's mindset and perspective on 🇪🇺, your target audience isn't those who supported EU Membership from the outset. And if you show only hatred and contempt to those who voted Leave, then you are not going to change people's opinions. 4/n
er2023.bsky.social
Some "RemainerNows" regretted their voted a few minutes after casting their ballot into the ballot box. They genuinely campaigned to be given a chance to reconsider their vote in a new referendum. 3/n
er2023.bsky.social
There were a range of reasons why people voted to Leave. I remember in particular when I was active on the other place before it became a cesspit of hatred, I used to follow a group called "RemainerNows" ⬇️, regretful Britons who voted to Leave and regretted their votes. 2/n
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er2023.bsky.social
Agreed.
This reminded me of a campaign group in the years in the immediate aftermath of EURef2016 called "RemainerNow", of regretful Leave voters, some of whom regretted their vote immediately after casting it, and who hopefully voted more wisely in GE2017 and GE2019. 1/n
er2023.bsky.social
Well, I beg to differ and find this general judgement extremely harsh.
Please bear in mind: I'm an EU citizen, I was and still am here and would claim to know a thing or two about British xenophobia (as in "xenophobia from some Britons, not all ofc") 🙂🤢 1/n
er2023.bsky.social
All of this is possible, and I don't know anything for a fact 🙂

What is sure is that he sounds a lot, and I do mean a lot, like the "Love Europe, Hate the EU" crowd among Brexiters. Apart from enjoying his Spanish villa in the Sun, I'm not sure what it is he likes about 🇪🇺. 2/2
er2023.bsky.social
@markpurch.bsky.social says he abstained/couldn't be @rsed to vote in #EURef2016.
He may well also have voted Tory in subsequent GEs (I can show *some* understanding to Brits who may have voted Leave based on lies+misunderstanding of what 🇪🇺 is and Brexit consequences in 2016; no excuse in 2019).1/2
er2023.bsky.social
Führage still forgets to mention his Russian connections, which he isn't aware of.
Fancy that...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVti...
Is Nigel Farage Moscow’s Man?
YouTube video by Political X
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er2023.bsky.social
He's also abusive to other (non-Irish) EU citizens. I had to block him under his other alias.