I believe that most people I know just wait for that one spark, but there are some that don't wait...
There was a good convo here in the thread, but some block occurred and cannot access it anymore. I explained my perspective, which basically is "in comparison with what we could achieve if we added some direct action to the mix, the effects are almost zero."
There was a good convo here in the thread, but some block occurred and cannot access it anymore. I explained my perspective, which basically is "in comparison with what we could achieve if we added some direct action to the mix, the effects are almost zero."
We talk and then start to understand each other.
We talk and then start to understand each other.
I guess now you see what I've been talking about ;)
When there's only banners and balloons, there's no change.
I guess now you see what I've been talking about ;)
When there's only banners and balloons, there's no change.
They do direct action because they know that protests and elections don't change much.
Unless you think that protesting or voting is being on the front line.
They do direct action because they know that protests and elections don't change much.
Unless you think that protesting or voting is being on the front line.
Strikes, direct action, blockades, doxxing, tracking, ddos, SHAC, ALF...
Strikes, direct action, blockades, doxxing, tracking, ddos, SHAC, ALF...
You say it's a success.
I say we can do much better if we use our strength, not only banners.
By the way #TeslaTakedown was not a protest. It was a huge direct action campaign. And it's actually a good example of what I'm talking about.
You say it's a success.
I say we can do much better if we use our strength, not only banners.
By the way #TeslaTakedown was not a protest. It was a huge direct action campaign. And it's actually a good example of what I'm talking about.
I'd like to highlight once more than in my opinion protests shouldn't be just an occasion to meet likeminded people. We've been tricked to treat it like collective 100% hype + 0% action.
I'd like to highlight once more than in my opinion protests shouldn't be just an occasion to meet likeminded people. We've been tricked to treat it like collective 100% hype + 0% action.
But maybe it's only the matter of perspective. I just expect more effects from millions angry people than you. I feel that millions of people are capable of bringing a real change, not only information, inspiration, realisation, and publicity.
But maybe it's only the matter of perspective. I just expect more effects from millions angry people than you. I feel that millions of people are capable of bringing a real change, not only information, inspiration, realisation, and publicity.
Let's have some examples - 1) the biggest protest in history of humankind - 30M+ people protesting globally, no effects at all besides destroyed country, 1M+ dead Iraqis, 70% innocent civilians.
Let's have some examples - 1) the biggest protest in history of humankind - 30M+ people protesting globally, no effects at all besides destroyed country, 1M+ dead Iraqis, 70% innocent civilians.
ICE stations - better (80% support from Dems), but still huge backlash possible.
ICE stations - better (80% support from Dems), but still huge backlash possible.
I'd say many smaller easy targets, picked collectively at random times, organic communication. No violence, with these numbers it's counter-effective.
Indefensible. Then build upon the momentum.
I'd say many smaller easy targets, picked collectively at random times, organic communication. No violence, with these numbers it's counter-effective.
Indefensible. Then build upon the momentum.
But yeah, if we concentrate those scattered forces in one/two places and then disperse them even more creating dozens of them at the same time, it'd be indefensible.
And of course we should DO sth, cannot stay 100% hype + 0% action.
But yeah, if we concentrate those scattered forces in one/two places and then disperse them even more creating dozens of them at the same time, it'd be indefensible.
And of course we should DO sth, cannot stay 100% hype + 0% action.
The difference between us and them is access to information, so apart from gardening and community building, we must resist.
The difference between us and them is access to information, so apart from gardening and community building, we must resist.