sotonohito (he/him)
@sotonohito555.bsky.social
Father, husband, geek, leftist, not liberal. Anti-Fascist. Anti-MAGA. Despairing.
I'm not going to bother responding to anything else you say until you can come back to reality, and also define the terms I asked about.
December 16, 2025 at 8:08 PM
I'm not going to bother responding to anything else you say until you can come back to reality, and also define the terms I asked about.
Your first statement is objectively wrong. That's nothing to do with ideology, or what I believe, or anything else. Objective reality exists, and in objective reality Israel's position wrt demographics of other nations has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza.
December 16, 2025 at 8:08 PM
Your first statement is objectively wrong. That's nothing to do with ideology, or what I believe, or anything else. Objective reality exists, and in objective reality Israel's position wrt demographics of other nations has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza.
For that matter can you even define what left and right mean? The core components of either? Whether those terms refer to a specific ideology or something else?
As you were at the beginning, you're tossing out ad homs at "libs" and chaining together right wing buzzwords, not making an argument.
As you were at the beginning, you're tossing out ad homs at "libs" and chaining together right wing buzzwords, not making an argument.
December 16, 2025 at 7:44 PM
For that matter can you even define what left and right mean? The core components of either? Whether those terms refer to a specific ideology or something else?
As you were at the beginning, you're tossing out ad homs at "libs" and chaining together right wing buzzwords, not making an argument.
As you were at the beginning, you're tossing out ad homs at "libs" and chaining together right wing buzzwords, not making an argument.
You need to either stop using your term "libs", or define it properly becuase at this point I have no clue who you're talking about and I don't think you do either. It's just the right wing sneeringly snide term for people you dislike and not an actual reference to any political system or ideology.
December 16, 2025 at 7:42 PM
You need to either stop using your term "libs", or define it properly becuase at this point I have no clue who you're talking about and I don't think you do either. It's just the right wing sneeringly snide term for people you dislike and not an actual reference to any political system or ideology.
BUT.
Assume you're right, assume that being not a fan of capitalism is indeed strongly linked to being not a fan of Israel.
Does that make the criticisms of Israel invalid or wrong?
I would say no. Blowing up hospitals is wrong regardless of capitalism.
Assume you're right, assume that being not a fan of capitalism is indeed strongly linked to being not a fan of Israel.
Does that make the criticisms of Israel invalid or wrong?
I would say no. Blowing up hospitals is wrong regardless of capitalism.
December 16, 2025 at 7:39 PM
BUT.
Assume you're right, assume that being not a fan of capitalism is indeed strongly linked to being not a fan of Israel.
Does that make the criticisms of Israel invalid or wrong?
I would say no. Blowing up hospitals is wrong regardless of capitalism.
Assume you're right, assume that being not a fan of capitalism is indeed strongly linked to being not a fan of Israel.
Does that make the criticisms of Israel invalid or wrong?
I would say no. Blowing up hospitals is wrong regardless of capitalism.
And some anti-capitalist defenders of Israel.
You're looking at a completely seprate issue and confusing corelation with causation.
You're looking at a completely seprate issue and confusing corelation with causation.
December 16, 2025 at 7:38 PM
And some anti-capitalist defenders of Israel.
You're looking at a completely seprate issue and confusing corelation with causation.
You're looking at a completely seprate issue and confusing corelation with causation.
And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with, or is dependent on, a person's view of capitalism.
Yes, there's some overlap, leftists are right about most things and we're right about both capitalism and Israel. But there are plenty of captialist critics of Israel.
Yes, there's some overlap, leftists are right about most things and we're right about both capitalism and Israel. But there are plenty of captialist critics of Israel.
December 16, 2025 at 7:37 PM
And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with, or is dependent on, a person's view of capitalism.
Yes, there's some overlap, leftists are right about most things and we're right about both capitalism and Israel. But there are plenty of captialist critics of Israel.
Yes, there's some overlap, leftists are right about most things and we're right about both capitalism and Israel. But there are plenty of captialist critics of Israel.
As for size, or how Jews would be treated in the surrounding countries, or if Israelis prefer chocolate or vanilla, none of that has the slightest to do with Israel's actions, the morality of those actions, and the violence they're inflicting. You're just throwing stuff at the wall.
December 16, 2025 at 7:36 PM
As for size, or how Jews would be treated in the surrounding countries, or if Israelis prefer chocolate or vanilla, none of that has the slightest to do with Israel's actions, the morality of those actions, and the violence they're inflicting. You're just throwing stuff at the wall.
seems like you're trying REALLY hard to avoid considering the possibility that it is possible for people to rationally conclude that Israel is an apartheid state founded by settler colonialism and it's violence against Palestinians is bad. Even if you think they're wrong it isn't crazy to think that
December 16, 2025 at 7:34 PM
seems like you're trying REALLY hard to avoid considering the possibility that it is possible for people to rationally conclude that Israel is an apartheid state founded by settler colonialism and it's violence against Palestinians is bad. Even if you think they're wrong it isn't crazy to think that
Not all Christians of course, but look in the US for religious extremism and religious opposition to freedom, democracy, civil rights, free speech, and so on and the people doing it are Christians, not Muslims.
No Muslim has ever tried to ban books in my son's school. Christians do though.
No Muslim has ever tried to ban books in my son's school. Christians do though.
December 16, 2025 at 4:54 PM
Not all Christians of course, but look in the US for religious extremism and religious opposition to freedom, democracy, civil rights, free speech, and so on and the people doing it are Christians, not Muslims.
No Muslim has ever tried to ban books in my son's school. Christians do though.
No Muslim has ever tried to ban books in my son's school. Christians do though.
And, as an American, the religion I'm most concerned about is Christianity, becuase it's Christians who are the ones stealing our rights, banning books, attempting to impose their religious law on everyone, and generally being theocratic.
December 16, 2025 at 4:53 PM
And, as an American, the religion I'm most concerned about is Christianity, becuase it's Christians who are the ones stealing our rights, banning books, attempting to impose their religious law on everyone, and generally being theocratic.
Mind you, I also despise Christianity in all its forms, Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Shintoism, Confucianism, and all the other evil lies about supernatural bullshit that have been poisoning our minds since we first started using language.
December 16, 2025 at 4:52 PM
Mind you, I also despise Christianity in all its forms, Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Shintoism, Confucianism, and all the other evil lies about supernatural bullshit that have been poisoning our minds since we first started using language.
It is not necessary to love Islam to oppose bombing the fuck out of Gaza, murdering and torturing the non-Israeli residents of the West Bank so that Israelis can steal their land, or even to oppose Trump's 1st Amendment violating anti-Muslim crusades.
I despise Islam. But I'm against all that.
I despise Islam. But I'm against all that.
December 16, 2025 at 4:50 PM
It is not necessary to love Islam to oppose bombing the fuck out of Gaza, murdering and torturing the non-Israeli residents of the West Bank so that Israelis can steal their land, or even to oppose Trump's 1st Amendment violating anti-Muslim crusades.
I despise Islam. But I'm against all that.
I despise Islam. But I'm against all that.
It is, and I know you might find this strange, possible to both oppose Hamas and Israel's genocidal actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
In fact, that's the position that's pretty majoritarian on the left, though there are a minority of lefties who argue Hamas had legitimate cause for their actions
In fact, that's the position that's pretty majoritarian on the left, though there are a minority of lefties who argue Hamas had legitimate cause for their actions
December 16, 2025 at 4:49 PM
It is, and I know you might find this strange, possible to both oppose Hamas and Israel's genocidal actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
In fact, that's the position that's pretty majoritarian on the left, though there are a minority of lefties who argue Hamas had legitimate cause for their actions
In fact, that's the position that's pretty majoritarian on the left, though there are a minority of lefties who argue Hamas had legitimate cause for their actions
And "indigenous rule" is a really weird way of saying "the people who lived there before the colonizers invaded and took over should have rights". It's also not even remotely tribalism in any sense used by either sociologists, anthropologists, or political scientists. It seems to be 100% yours.
December 16, 2025 at 4:47 PM
And "indigenous rule" is a really weird way of saying "the people who lived there before the colonizers invaded and took over should have rights". It's also not even remotely tribalism in any sense used by either sociologists, anthropologists, or political scientists. It seems to be 100% yours.
You've ALSO migrated from "Marxist" to "socialist" and are acting as if they're synonyms, they aren't.
You're ALSO simply asserting some love between socialists and Islamists and you really need to cite a source on that beyond the usual right wing screamers because that's just not true.
You're ALSO simply asserting some love between socialists and Islamists and you really need to cite a source on that beyond the usual right wing screamers because that's just not true.
December 16, 2025 at 4:45 PM
You've ALSO migrated from "Marxist" to "socialist" and are acting as if they're synonyms, they aren't.
You're ALSO simply asserting some love between socialists and Islamists and you really need to cite a source on that beyond the usual right wing screamers because that's just not true.
You're ALSO simply asserting some love between socialists and Islamists and you really need to cite a source on that beyond the usual right wing screamers because that's just not true.
Of course, if you're one of those people who tries to define Biden, Harris, Obama, etc as socialists, then you're already working off falsehood. The only people who are remotely socialist and in elected Federal office right now are Bernie Sanders and maybe AOC, and the Ds hate them both.
December 16, 2025 at 4:43 PM
Of course, if you're one of those people who tries to define Biden, Harris, Obama, etc as socialists, then you're already working off falsehood. The only people who are remotely socialist and in elected Federal office right now are Bernie Sanders and maybe AOC, and the Ds hate them both.
American Liberalism is currently close to 100% on side with Israel, as evidenced by all the think pieces from liberal commentators and complaints from liberal politicans about how strange and horrible it is that younger Democrats no longer worship Israel the way they do.
December 16, 2025 at 4:42 PM
American Liberalism is currently close to 100% on side with Israel, as evidenced by all the think pieces from liberal commentators and complaints from liberal politicans about how strange and horrible it is that younger Democrats no longer worship Israel the way they do.
Again, you appear to be talking pure nonsense here. I see a lot of the words the right uses as synonyms for evil all mixed up in a stew, but it's not describing objective reality in any way at all. Honestly I'm surprised you didn't work in DEI, CRT, and woke in that list of stuff you hate.
December 16, 2025 at 4:41 PM
Again, you appear to be talking pure nonsense here. I see a lot of the words the right uses as synonyms for evil all mixed up in a stew, but it's not describing objective reality in any way at all. Honestly I'm surprised you didn't work in DEI, CRT, and woke in that list of stuff you hate.
so you're going to stop saying that evil liberal Islamist communists are trying to spread antisemitism?
December 16, 2025 at 4:39 PM
so you're going to stop saying that evil liberal Islamist communists are trying to spread antisemitism?
You, however, seem to be saying "Islam is bad, libs are bad, Communists are bad, therefore all three of those things are the same, and also libs are insane."
Perhaps looking at things from a POV that's not so just reflexively eager to assume 'libs' are insane might work better?
Perhaps looking at things from a POV that's not so just reflexively eager to assume 'libs' are insane might work better?
December 16, 2025 at 4:39 PM
You, however, seem to be saying "Islam is bad, libs are bad, Communists are bad, therefore all three of those things are the same, and also libs are insane."
Perhaps looking at things from a POV that's not so just reflexively eager to assume 'libs' are insane might work better?
Perhaps looking at things from a POV that's not so just reflexively eager to assume 'libs' are insane might work better?
I'm a leftist, I'm not even slighlty pro-capitalism, and it's one of my (many) disagreements with liberals.
And, I'm a leftist, I think what Israel is doing is unjustifiable and definitley genocide, and I also really don't like Islam.
And, I'm a leftist, I think what Israel is doing is unjustifiable and definitley genocide, and I also really don't like Islam.
December 16, 2025 at 4:37 PM
I'm a leftist, I'm not even slighlty pro-capitalism, and it's one of my (many) disagreements with liberals.
And, I'm a leftist, I think what Israel is doing is unjustifiable and definitley genocide, and I also really don't like Islam.
And, I'm a leftist, I think what Israel is doing is unjustifiable and definitley genocide, and I also really don't like Islam.
Also? Liberalism is pro-capitalism. Some on the LEFT aren't so fond of capitalism, but liberalism is rooted in capitalism. It might want a slightly nicer capitalism, or a bigger support net for those capitalism fails, but liberalism is 100% on team Capitalism.
December 16, 2025 at 4:36 PM
Also? Liberalism is pro-capitalism. Some on the LEFT aren't so fond of capitalism, but liberalism is rooted in capitalism. It might want a slightly nicer capitalism, or a bigger support net for those capitalism fails, but liberalism is 100% on team Capitalism.
No, they don't.
That is not, never has been, and never will be a position held by almost anyone, left, right, center, or any other political orientation. You're making stuff up, or at best, you're conflating "oppressing Muslims isn't good" with "I love Islamism!"
That is not, never has been, and never will be a position held by almost anyone, left, right, center, or any other political orientation. You're making stuff up, or at best, you're conflating "oppressing Muslims isn't good" with "I love Islamism!"
December 16, 2025 at 4:35 PM
No, they don't.
That is not, never has been, and never will be a position held by almost anyone, left, right, center, or any other political orientation. You're making stuff up, or at best, you're conflating "oppressing Muslims isn't good" with "I love Islamism!"
That is not, never has been, and never will be a position held by almost anyone, left, right, center, or any other political orientation. You're making stuff up, or at best, you're conflating "oppressing Muslims isn't good" with "I love Islamism!"