Yeah, I won't deny it's a hit to it's value proposition.
December 20, 2025 at 3:36 AM
Yeah, I won't deny it's a hit to it's value proposition.
I don't think greed is the factor here, they simply can't make them anymore. The internals got a heavy redesign for the OLED taking into account the thinner screen, so an LCD model that uses the newer chip would require new tooling and likely wouldn't be that much less expensive to make.
December 20, 2025 at 2:43 AM
I don't think greed is the factor here, they simply can't make them anymore. The internals got a heavy redesign for the OLED taking into account the thinner screen, so an LCD model that uses the newer chip would require new tooling and likely wouldn't be that much less expensive to make.
The LCD model used the original Van Gogh chip, produced by AMD for the Magic Leap 2 and (this is speculation) bought at fire sale prices by Valve once that product ended up a failure. There was always going to be limited stock, they've run out. OLED Decks use newer, custom (expensive) silicon.
December 20, 2025 at 2:41 AM
The LCD model used the original Van Gogh chip, produced by AMD for the Magic Leap 2 and (this is speculation) bought at fire sale prices by Valve once that product ended up a failure. There was always going to be limited stock, they've run out. OLED Decks use newer, custom (expensive) silicon.
*also* legally fine. ALSO.
Fuck off, done with you, you weasel.
Fuck off, done with you, you weasel.
December 17, 2025 at 12:54 PM
*also* legally fine. ALSO.
Fuck off, done with you, you weasel.
Fuck off, done with you, you weasel.
The core conflict is that you believe that copying game mechanics is an ethical violation (ie. plagiarism) and I do not. Additionally, I make the claim that the industry does, not just in the legal sense, but broadly, as evidenced by, well, all video games ever.
December 17, 2025 at 12:53 PM
The core conflict is that you believe that copying game mechanics is an ethical violation (ie. plagiarism) and I do not. Additionally, I make the claim that the industry does, not just in the legal sense, but broadly, as evidenced by, well, all video games ever.
They were your accusations. I admitted they copied from the start, and that it was fine. It's *also* legally fine. I didn't cede ground on anything at all.
December 17, 2025 at 12:49 PM
They were your accusations. I admitted they copied from the start, and that it was fine. It's *also* legally fine. I didn't cede ground on anything at all.
This is the pathway of discussion that would have actually led to you learning something, provided you with more context and history to inform your current viewpoint, perhaps even change it.
You ignored it because you don't want that to happen.
You ignored it because you don't want that to happen.
December 17, 2025 at 12:46 PM
This is the pathway of discussion that would have actually led to you learning something, provided you with more context and history to inform your current viewpoint, perhaps even change it.
You ignored it because you don't want that to happen.
You ignored it because you don't want that to happen.
In addition to video game history you should probably also look into philosophy.
December 17, 2025 at 12:43 PM
In addition to video game history you should probably also look into philosophy.
You were the first one to be snide, to the point that I called you out for it and asked for more civility. You didn't oblige, so I'm responding in kind.
December 17, 2025 at 12:36 PM
You were the first one to be snide, to the point that I called you out for it and asked for more civility. You didn't oblige, so I'm responding in kind.
But probably not as bad as murder, lol.
December 17, 2025 at 12:32 PM
But probably not as bad as murder, lol.
I didn't say that. That my good friend is an ol' fashioned stawman right thar. Which, one could say, is an ethical violation! Much more severe than bad grammar, at the very least.
December 17, 2025 at 12:32 PM
I didn't say that. That my good friend is an ol' fashioned stawman right thar. Which, one could say, is an ethical violation! Much more severe than bad grammar, at the very least.
I was wondering if you were going to do something as insane as compare murder to intellectual property infringement.
December 17, 2025 at 12:29 PM
I was wondering if you were going to do something as insane as compare murder to intellectual property infringement.
The ethical violation makes what plagiarism is and it's that what makes it bad. They don't only legally get away with it, they socially do too. The rampant copying of game mechanics is a communally accepted act.
December 17, 2025 at 12:28 PM
The ethical violation makes what plagiarism is and it's that what makes it bad. They don't only legally get away with it, they socially do too. The rampant copying of game mechanics is a communally accepted act.
I'm not using legal buzzwords, I'm just using words. "ethics" isn't legal mumbo jumbo. My premise of my argument isn't based on semantics, but ethics. My ethics align with what are broadly accepted in game development, yours do not.
December 17, 2025 at 12:24 PM
I'm not using legal buzzwords, I'm just using words. "ethics" isn't legal mumbo jumbo. My premise of my argument isn't based on semantics, but ethics. My ethics align with what are broadly accepted in game development, yours do not.
I wasn't refuting your point that it was taken from it, though it does, once again, underline that you have a poor grasp of video game history.
December 17, 2025 at 12:20 PM
I wasn't refuting your point that it was taken from it, though it does, once again, underline that you have a poor grasp of video game history.
The accusation that they are copying in the sense that it is an ethical violation, ie plagiarism, isn't credible. Both in the legal and colloquial sense.
December 17, 2025 at 12:18 PM
The accusation that they are copying in the sense that it is an ethical violation, ie plagiarism, isn't credible. Both in the legal and colloquial sense.
What I'm trying to do is encourage you to dive into video game history, which will provide context that will self-evidently demonstrate how silly your view is, instead of feeling hurt about copying that no one involved in any of these games, copied or copier, gives one single iota of a fuck about.
December 17, 2025 at 12:16 PM
What I'm trying to do is encourage you to dive into video game history, which will provide context that will self-evidently demonstrate how silly your view is, instead of feeling hurt about copying that no one involved in any of these games, copied or copier, gives one single iota of a fuck about.
When did I say they didn't do it? I said it wasn't an ethical violation.
December 17, 2025 at 12:13 PM
When did I say they didn't do it? I said it wasn't an ethical violation.
Super Mario RPG, technically.
December 17, 2025 at 12:12 PM
Super Mario RPG, technically.
"Spiritual plagarism" lol
I think what you mean by this is you think it's plagiarism based on vibes? This isn't an argument. It's either an ethical violation or it isn't.
I think what you mean by this is you think it's plagiarism based on vibes? This isn't an argument. It's either an ethical violation or it isn't.
December 17, 2025 at 12:05 PM
"Spiritual plagarism" lol
I think what you mean by this is you think it's plagiarism based on vibes? This isn't an argument. It's either an ethical violation or it isn't.
I think what you mean by this is you think it's plagiarism based on vibes? This isn't an argument. It's either an ethical violation or it isn't.
It's completely accepted and your opinion that it isn't isn't the norm within the games industry.
December 17, 2025 at 12:02 PM
It's completely accepted and your opinion that it isn't isn't the norm within the games industry.
Almost doing a lot of work there.
As for the mechanics, that's all fine. Ark's survival building system and inventory management was taken almost verbatim from Rust.
As for the mechanics, that's all fine. Ark's survival building system and inventory management was taken almost verbatim from Rust.
December 17, 2025 at 12:01 PM
Almost doing a lot of work there.
As for the mechanics, that's all fine. Ark's survival building system and inventory management was taken almost verbatim from Rust.
As for the mechanics, that's all fine. Ark's survival building system and inventory management was taken almost verbatim from Rust.
But short of it is (300 characters worth) plagiarism implies an ethical violation, copying is simply the physical act. Copying ethically isn't plagiarism and I don't believe copying game mechanics is an ethical violation. Based on the norms of the industry, neither does it.
December 17, 2025 at 11:58 AM
But short of it is (300 characters worth) plagiarism implies an ethical violation, copying is simply the physical act. Copying ethically isn't plagiarism and I don't believe copying game mechanics is an ethical violation. Based on the norms of the industry, neither does it.
I didn't imply you were stupid and I'd be glad if this didn't devolve into inane shit flinging.
December 17, 2025 at 11:55 AM
I didn't imply you were stupid and I'd be glad if this didn't devolve into inane shit flinging.