I am sorry for my behaviour last night — I lost my temper and behaved in an unchristian manner. Saying publicly, so people may know.

He is extremely uncharitable in his portrayal of his theological opponents (me, often).

I dislike Rillera’s perspectives very much on twitter and the like, so I could guess easily enough what he says.

No.

I had read St Anselm. St Athanasius. St Augustine.

Luther and other Reformers. Their ele

My own churches Mtr Fleming Rutledge.

And the Scriptures themselves is what I’m working on.

It is insane to me that God would fulfill his own perfect Justice *himself*, *on our account*.

That this is called evil baffles me.

It also is not an invention of Calvin’s, despite this being oft-said. It is readable in various Fathers of the Church, and was a notion common enough in the Roman Church before the Counter Reformation.

I don’t say “penal” usually because it implies things I don’t believe about the nature of God and what was being done. But there can be no doubt, Jesus died in our place because he loves us.

It’s one of those things where people tell me it’s monstrous and wicked, but to me it is tenderness and love.

Substitutionary atonement is just… in the Bible in an inescapable way, and this model sees something objective happening on the cross.

Which then enables Christus Victor.

Well, I don’t believe that. God’s choosing to unite with us isn’t something he decided at the last second. It is his purpose, to be united in love with us.

And substitution to me just means that God loves us so much he took on our responsibilities in order to save us.

I think that the Bible speaks so much of debts and in terms of the law etc here that substitutionary atonement can’t be reasonably dismissed, to me it is simply the mechanism by which death is defeated.

And ransom theory too.

I believe that both Substitution and Victory are so visibly in what’s happening in the Cross, and so bound up with one another, that I admit to some difficulty in understanding any notion of their being separated, or one without the other.

If you still disagree that’s fine

I’m just

Somewhat emotional now timing about the Cross

Honestly, Narnia makes a good representation of it

Aslan dies for Edmund, so that the deep magic may be satisfied, and also defeat the white witch.

Christus Victor BECAUSE of PSA.

The Blessed Trinity is united in his purpose. And on the Cross God himself is giving himself for us, not punishing some other.

It is because of PSA that there is Christus Victor, because God does have justice but he TAKES IT ON HIMSELF. The mercy and love is just ;-;

Alas, I do also believe in penal substitutionary atonement, ha.

I also believe in Christus Victor, and other atonement models as well. There is a lot going on, on the cross.

PSA can be poorly portrayed, but it helps when one understands that there be one God.

I like the way C.S. Lewis spoke of God’s timelessness and pointed it to his unimaginable love for us. Wherein God, in our dear Lord Jesus, came and died for you, personally, the woman to whom I speak.

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I absolutely believe in a personal God deeply and profoundly caring and tender beyond our wildest dreams, and I do think that some of the orthodox theologies of God’s being are sometimes poorly explained to people, or make the wrong points.