I never had any intention of teaching you.
You never had any intention of learning.
I laid out some simple basics which you signally failed to understand.
Read, and understand, more about the JG before getting involved in discussions about it.
You never had any intention of learning.
I laid out some simple basics which you signally failed to understand.
Read, and understand, more about the JG before getting involved in discussions about it.
November 26, 2025 at 11:21 PM
I never had any intention of teaching you.
You never had any intention of learning.
I laid out some simple basics which you signally failed to understand.
Read, and understand, more about the JG before getting involved in discussions about it.
You never had any intention of learning.
I laid out some simple basics which you signally failed to understand.
Read, and understand, more about the JG before getting involved in discussions about it.
If you really don't understand what the fundamental difference is you really should sit down and stop talking, you are parading your ignorance.
Have some self respect and stop it.
Have some self respect and stop it.
November 26, 2025 at 11:17 PM
If you really don't understand what the fundamental difference is you really should sit down and stop talking, you are parading your ignorance.
Have some self respect and stop it.
Have some self respect and stop it.
Tell me you don't understand anything about macro without telling me ...
Do yourself a favour and read more about the job guarantee.
Do yourself a favour and read more about the job guarantee.
November 26, 2025 at 11:15 PM
Tell me you don't understand anything about macro without telling me ...
Do yourself a favour and read more about the job guarantee.
Do yourself a favour and read more about the job guarantee.
I won't be playing any games with you as you are disingenuous to.
If you don't think there are any issues with your ridiculous proposal then you really shouldn't be involved in these kind of discussions.
If you don't think there are any issues with your ridiculous proposal then you really shouldn't be involved in these kind of discussions.
November 26, 2025 at 11:14 PM
I won't be playing any games with you as you are disingenuous to.
If you don't think there are any issues with your ridiculous proposal then you really shouldn't be involved in these kind of discussions.
If you don't think there are any issues with your ridiculous proposal then you really shouldn't be involved in these kind of discussions.
Lol, they are not the same at all. If you think they are you really need to go back to basics.
JG is counter cyclical, it expands and contracts, guess how ... that's right, counter cyclically!
JG is counter cyclical, it expands and contracts, guess how ... that's right, counter cyclically!
November 26, 2025 at 11:12 PM
Lol, they are not the same at all. If you think they are you really need to go back to basics.
JG is counter cyclical, it expands and contracts, guess how ... that's right, counter cyclically!
JG is counter cyclical, it expands and contracts, guess how ... that's right, counter cyclically!
The onus is on me to explain your proposal it's effects? Lol.
It's your proposal, not mine.
Talk us through any issues you think it might cause.
If you don't think there are any then just say that.
It's your proposal, not mine.
Talk us through any issues you think it might cause.
If you don't think there are any then just say that.
November 26, 2025 at 11:02 PM
The onus is on me to explain your proposal it's effects? Lol.
It's your proposal, not mine.
Talk us through any issues you think it might cause.
If you don't think there are any then just say that.
It's your proposal, not mine.
Talk us through any issues you think it might cause.
If you don't think there are any then just say that.
You asked why JG is but mig isn't, implying you thought both were or weren't.
The options are employed or unemployed buffer stock.
No, you didn't say that at all. You are being disingenuous. Here's what you actually said.
The options are employed or unemployed buffer stock.
No, you didn't say that at all. You are being disingenuous. Here's what you actually said.
November 26, 2025 at 11:00 PM
You asked why JG is but mig isn't, implying you thought both were or weren't.
The options are employed or unemployed buffer stock.
No, you didn't say that at all. You are being disingenuous. Here's what you actually said.
The options are employed or unemployed buffer stock.
No, you didn't say that at all. You are being disingenuous. Here's what you actually said.
You genuinely can't see any implications and issues with such a proposal?
Really?
You need to think it all the way, come back when you have 👍
Really?
You need to think it all the way, come back when you have 👍
November 26, 2025 at 10:51 PM
You genuinely can't see any implications and issues with such a proposal?
Really?
You need to think it all the way, come back when you have 👍
Really?
You need to think it all the way, come back when you have 👍
You never asked me that at all.
Anyway, explain how mig is counter cyclical - it happens all the time, right?
I mean people will be guaranteed it, right?
Anyway, explain how mig is counter cyclical - it happens all the time, right?
I mean people will be guaranteed it, right?
November 26, 2025 at 10:50 PM
You never asked me that at all.
Anyway, explain how mig is counter cyclical - it happens all the time, right?
I mean people will be guaranteed it, right?
Anyway, explain how mig is counter cyclical - it happens all the time, right?
I mean people will be guaranteed it, right?
It's not difficult to understand what you are proposing - it's a minimum amount of £s for everyone.
You are failing to grasp the issues and implications of doing such a thing.
It seems they haven't begun to dawn on you yet.
Give me a shout when they do 👍
You are failing to grasp the issues and implications of doing such a thing.
It seems they haven't begun to dawn on you yet.
Give me a shout when they do 👍
November 26, 2025 at 10:46 PM
It's not difficult to understand what you are proposing - it's a minimum amount of £s for everyone.
You are failing to grasp the issues and implications of doing such a thing.
It seems they haven't begun to dawn on you yet.
Give me a shout when they do 👍
You are failing to grasp the issues and implications of doing such a thing.
It seems they haven't begun to dawn on you yet.
Give me a shout when they do 👍
The JG doesn't just hand out £s to people so in what way is it the same as the JG?
November 26, 2025 at 10:40 PM
The JG doesn't just hand out £s to people so in what way is it the same as the JG?
We already have a minimum earnings guarantee, it's called universal credit.
I'm guessing you would want to increase the amount paid though, yes?
If so ...
Have you thought it all the way through?
How much would it be?
Do you see any issues with such a proposal?
I'm guessing you would want to increase the amount paid though, yes?
If so ...
Have you thought it all the way through?
How much would it be?
Do you see any issues with such a proposal?
November 26, 2025 at 10:33 PM
We already have a minimum earnings guarantee, it's called universal credit.
I'm guessing you would want to increase the amount paid though, yes?
If so ...
Have you thought it all the way through?
How much would it be?
Do you see any issues with such a proposal?
I'm guessing you would want to increase the amount paid though, yes?
If so ...
Have you thought it all the way through?
How much would it be?
Do you see any issues with such a proposal?
Don't be shy, explain exactly what you mean.
November 26, 2025 at 10:29 PM
Don't be shy, explain exactly what you mean.
You mean ubi, right?
November 26, 2025 at 10:26 PM
You mean ubi, right?
Not at all. You fundamentally misunderstand, again.
You really need to read more.
Once the JG is set up it runs, guess what, automatically. No jobs "held back", no arguments about who funds what, where.
It just expands and contracts as necessary, where necessary.
You really need to read more.
Once the JG is set up it runs, guess what, automatically. No jobs "held back", no arguments about who funds what, where.
It just expands and contracts as necessary, where necessary.
November 26, 2025 at 10:25 PM
Not at all. You fundamentally misunderstand, again.
You really need to read more.
Once the JG is set up it runs, guess what, automatically. No jobs "held back", no arguments about who funds what, where.
It just expands and contracts as necessary, where necessary.
You really need to read more.
Once the JG is set up it runs, guess what, automatically. No jobs "held back", no arguments about who funds what, where.
It just expands and contracts as necessary, where necessary.
I explained above.
Of course they contribute to to the financial economy, they are paid positions. Catch up!
Which part(s) of the above don't you understand?
I'll try to help you.
Of course they contribute to to the financial economy, they are paid positions. Catch up!
Which part(s) of the above don't you understand?
I'll try to help you.
November 26, 2025 at 10:22 PM
I explained above.
Of course they contribute to to the financial economy, they are paid positions. Catch up!
Which part(s) of the above don't you understand?
I'll try to help you.
Of course they contribute to to the financial economy, they are paid positions. Catch up!
Which part(s) of the above don't you understand?
I'll try to help you.
Really?
The private sector is contracting and the person taking the JG job (which you obsessively refer to as litter picking) has been made unemployed.
The JG job doesn't exist until the unemployed person shows up and takes it.
And vice versa.
That's how it's counter cyclical.
The private sector is contracting and the person taking the JG job (which you obsessively refer to as litter picking) has been made unemployed.
The JG job doesn't exist until the unemployed person shows up and takes it.
And vice versa.
That's how it's counter cyclical.
November 26, 2025 at 10:16 PM
Really?
The private sector is contracting and the person taking the JG job (which you obsessively refer to as litter picking) has been made unemployed.
The JG job doesn't exist until the unemployed person shows up and takes it.
And vice versa.
That's how it's counter cyclical.
The private sector is contracting and the person taking the JG job (which you obsessively refer to as litter picking) has been made unemployed.
The JG job doesn't exist until the unemployed person shows up and takes it.
And vice versa.
That's how it's counter cyclical.
Political consensus on what exactly?
How many jobs should be held back? How they are funded? For how long?
Rather than simply have a JG waiting to take up the slack.
How many jobs should be held back? How they are funded? For how long?
Rather than simply have a JG waiting to take up the slack.
November 26, 2025 at 10:05 PM
Political consensus on what exactly?
How many jobs should be held back? How they are funded? For how long?
Rather than simply have a JG waiting to take up the slack.
How many jobs should be held back? How they are funded? For how long?
Rather than simply have a JG waiting to take up the slack.
You can't seem to grasp the basics of what the JG does.
Both act as a buffer stock.
The choice is to either have:
. a buffer stock of unemployed people on the current JG
. an automatic, counter cyclical buffer stock of employed people where needed
Which do think is preferable?
Both act as a buffer stock.
The choice is to either have:
. a buffer stock of unemployed people on the current JG
. an automatic, counter cyclical buffer stock of employed people where needed
Which do think is preferable?
November 26, 2025 at 10:02 PM
You can't seem to grasp the basics of what the JG does.
Both act as a buffer stock.
The choice is to either have:
. a buffer stock of unemployed people on the current JG
. an automatic, counter cyclical buffer stock of employed people where needed
Which do think is preferable?
Both act as a buffer stock.
The choice is to either have:
. a buffer stock of unemployed people on the current JG
. an automatic, counter cyclical buffer stock of employed people where needed
Which do think is preferable?
You need to read more about the function of the buffer stock as a counter cyclical auto stabiliser and price anchor.
If you genuinely think being unemployed, with all its attendant misery, is preferable to being employed then I don't know what to say to you.
If you genuinely think being unemployed, with all its attendant misery, is preferable to being employed then I don't know what to say to you.
November 26, 2025 at 9:17 PM
You need to read more about the function of the buffer stock as a counter cyclical auto stabiliser and price anchor.
If you genuinely think being unemployed, with all its attendant misery, is preferable to being employed then I don't know what to say to you.
If you genuinely think being unemployed, with all its attendant misery, is preferable to being employed then I don't know what to say to you.
Sure, why not, but ...
Consider this:
A major employer in an area closes down and throws 000's out of work.
Which would you prefer:
. A JG that automatically picks up the slack
. Political wrangling to decide what should happen and when
First option or second?
Consider this:
A major employer in an area closes down and throws 000's out of work.
Which would you prefer:
. A JG that automatically picks up the slack
. Political wrangling to decide what should happen and when
First option or second?
November 26, 2025 at 9:12 PM
Sure, why not, but ...
Consider this:
A major employer in an area closes down and throws 000's out of work.
Which would you prefer:
. A JG that automatically picks up the slack
. Political wrangling to decide what should happen and when
First option or second?
Consider this:
A major employer in an area closes down and throws 000's out of work.
Which would you prefer:
. A JG that automatically picks up the slack
. Political wrangling to decide what should happen and when
First option or second?
The problem is, you don't understand what it is and what it's for.
You don't seem to understand the concept of a buffer stock either.
We have a buffer stock of inflation fighters, they are all unemployed.
The JG employs them where they are. Think it through.
You don't seem to understand the concept of a buffer stock either.
We have a buffer stock of inflation fighters, they are all unemployed.
The JG employs them where they are. Think it through.
November 26, 2025 at 9:01 PM
The problem is, you don't understand what it is and what it's for.
You don't seem to understand the concept of a buffer stock either.
We have a buffer stock of inflation fighters, they are all unemployed.
The JG employs them where they are. Think it through.
You don't seem to understand the concept of a buffer stock either.
We have a buffer stock of inflation fighters, they are all unemployed.
The JG employs them where they are. Think it through.
Yes, it maintains a certain level of demand, that's one of the positives.
However, if you think it's an unnecessary elaboration you either don't understand it or you are missing the point...
It's automatic, it responds automatically, contracting and expanding as required, where required.
However, if you think it's an unnecessary elaboration you either don't understand it or you are missing the point...
It's automatic, it responds automatically, contracting and expanding as required, where required.
November 26, 2025 at 8:57 PM
Yes, it maintains a certain level of demand, that's one of the positives.
However, if you think it's an unnecessary elaboration you either don't understand it or you are missing the point...
It's automatic, it responds automatically, contracting and expanding as required, where required.
However, if you think it's an unnecessary elaboration you either don't understand it or you are missing the point...
It's automatic, it responds automatically, contracting and expanding as required, where required.