It is never a Cartesian (Kantian) dichotomy (mind vs. body, etc.) but a Triad.
CS Peirce and WR Ashby clearly understood that we create a (physical) shareable model or map with signs from our (interpretant) "systemic knowledge" of the terrain (object, machine) as an understanding and navigation aid👇

In Cybernetics, a dynamic phenomenon to be explained (living or not) is called "Machine". The "System" is then an organized set of variables (measures) that the observer thinks describe the phenomenon. The "Model" is the physical computation from those system variables
WR Ashby - Design for a Brain👇

I like von Foester's contention that #reality = #community. There definitely *is* a reality we humans build in our "languaging," but this does not preclude the existence of a "transcendental reality" in which this all happens and of which we cannot be totally privy of like the one we build ourselves

Yes. In it is line with "2nd order cybernetics"

Just out of curiosity, did you make the move HM is talking about? 👇
"I was making a metaphysical shift, I moved from the traditional metaphysics that assumes that the world we live pre-exists our living in it, to one in which the world we live exists as it arises with our doing it."
I still can't. 🤷

A "system that can self-replicate and is capable of mutation in a way that can respond to selective influences" (a living cell) is too complex to "be made". It must also be able to grow by itself. Is a "plant-made" seed alive before starting to grow? Can a seed be made from scratch in a laboratory?

And then there are #conversations in which we behave "as if" we are talking about the same "thing" and in which we may discover the "truth"🙂

Stafford Beer's POSIWID needs a qualifier saying " ... what it does *for the larger system* it is part of," or something similar.
No system exists in a vacuum. They are all part of some larger system in which they play a *role*.
People in systems either find their purpose or it's imposed from above.

Protesters with signs can do little in this situation except provide a pretext for escalation, but individual, city, and state-level service providers can do a lot.
They can stop providing food, water, electricity, and other necessary services to those facilities unless they play by the rules, no? 🤷

No serious philosophical or scientific discussion about #consciousness or #cognition in general can ignore #phenomenology, because all our knowledge is gained solely through lived experience.
See in particular Aron Gurwitsch’s "Field Theory of Consciousness"👇
journals.openedition.org/hel/3541?lan...

This IS a state space representation of dynamical system. You can use it to model a single neuron a whole society.
The trick is in selecting the variables.

Also good read:
"If humanity cannot live with the dangers and responsibilities inherent in freedom, it will probably turn to authoritarianism
... a landmark work by one of the most distinguished thinkers of our time ... as timely now as when first published in 1941"
www.goodreads.com/book/show/25...

A dynamical (adaptive) system 👇 in which its current (knowledge) #state determines input perception (what information or meaning is constructed from it) and the production of an output that best suits the current situation.
The state is historically maintained through the integration of information.

And who (what) is making those rules and who (what) is making the selection?

What is selected?