jonny "saunders"
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excuse me, relatively small number of* large platforms*
December 10, 2025 at 11:07 PM
excuse me, relatively small number of* large platforms*
that's cool. i think the majority of the worlds computing ended up being concentrated in a few relatively small platforms because of the stupendous profits that the model brings. sure it's efficient when you structure compute like that, but that foreclosed a different internet
December 10, 2025 at 11:07 PM
that's cool. i think the majority of the worlds computing ended up being concentrated in a few relatively small platforms because of the stupendous profits that the model brings. sure it's efficient when you structure compute like that, but that foreclosed a different internet
There's "cloud," as in timesharing, and there's "Cloud" as in "Serverless Lambda functions hooked up to a blazikengraph tippytoe-tier endpoint swizzled with a firebase auth stick for a few moments and finished with a breath of..."
renting a VPS? Cool, but then there's the Proper Cloud Orthodoxy
renting a VPS? Cool, but then there's the Proper Cloud Orthodoxy
December 10, 2025 at 6:35 PM
There's "cloud," as in timesharing, and there's "Cloud" as in "Serverless Lambda functions hooked up to a blazikengraph tippytoe-tier endpoint swizzled with a firebase auth stick for a few moments and finished with a breath of..."
renting a VPS? Cool, but then there's the Proper Cloud Orthodoxy
renting a VPS? Cool, but then there's the Proper Cloud Orthodoxy
The chatGPT 4o backlash gives me nightmares. Thousands of people begging to pay to be put back in their sycophancy box. But the distribution of affected people is much broader than the most heartbreaking examples on podcasts and longform thinkpieces.
December 10, 2025 at 8:41 AM
The chatGPT 4o backlash gives me nightmares. Thousands of people begging to pay to be put back in their sycophancy box. But the distribution of affected people is much broader than the most heartbreaking examples on podcasts and longform thinkpieces.
I genuinely fear the bubble popping because the LLMs are also blowing up the practice of therapy. There are millions of people with a new kind of addiction that will have no help. None of them are ready for the price of information going up like a hockey stick once "entrap" transitions to "exploit"
December 10, 2025 at 8:39 AM
I genuinely fear the bubble popping because the LLMs are also blowing up the practice of therapy. There are millions of people with a new kind of addiction that will have no help. None of them are ready for the price of information going up like a hockey stick once "entrap" transitions to "exploit"
It wasn't their addiction, and i don't think many vibe coders would think of it that way. I dont intend it as an insult or vice-shaming and I don't think what I'm saying is new - just that I still struggle to see it as anything but that, every experience since then has been the same.
December 10, 2025 at 8:35 AM
It wasn't their addiction, and i don't think many vibe coders would think of it that way. I dont intend it as an insult or vice-shaming and I don't think what I'm saying is new - just that I still struggle to see it as anything but that, every experience since then has been the same.
That was April 2023. Why was it so hard for them to see that spending a month playing the slot machine wasn't working when the answer to the problem was a PDF literally open in the other monitor? Ive concluded the answer isn't complex, just gambling addiction.
December 10, 2025 at 8:32 AM
That was April 2023. Why was it so hard for them to see that spending a month playing the slot machine wasn't working when the answer to the problem was a PDF literally open in the other monitor? Ive concluded the answer isn't complex, just gambling addiction.
After awhile I stopped and said "OK that doesn't seem to be working. What is this function supposed to do? What should the output look like? What does the input look like?" Baby stuff. We described what needed to be done, ran each line to see what it did, and fixed the thing in 5 minutes.
December 10, 2025 at 8:31 AM
After awhile I stopped and said "OK that doesn't seem to be working. What is this function supposed to do? What should the output look like? What does the input look like?" Baby stuff. We described what needed to be done, ran each line to see what it did, and fixed the thing in 5 minutes.
Each time the text surrounding the returned code sample changed into a new plausible explanation for how the prior code was wrong. It was wrong every time, but obviously that wasn't being read. It was literally like watching someone at a slot machine - copy, paste, check. Nothing gained on each loop
December 10, 2025 at 8:28 AM
Each time the text surrounding the returned code sample changed into a new plausible explanation for how the prior code was wrong. It was wrong every time, but obviously that wasn't being read. It was literally like watching someone at a slot machine - copy, paste, check. Nothing gained on each loop
Since I was in a diagnosis role, I wanted to see how long this could last. Surely one couldn't copy effectively random code into your code, compile, run, error forever right? Wrong.
December 10, 2025 at 8:26 AM
Since I was in a diagnosis role, I wanted to see how long this could last. Surely one couldn't copy effectively random code into your code, compile, run, error forever right? Wrong.
The LLM output was nonsensical: all the words locally made sense, "apply this operation to shift the {x} bit into {y} position" but the macro structure made no sense - what were we trying to do? What should the input and output look like? Unanswered, but it did produce copy/paste able code
December 10, 2025 at 8:25 AM
The LLM output was nonsensical: all the words locally made sense, "apply this operation to shift the {x} bit into {y} position" but the macro structure made no sense - what were we trying to do? What should the input and output look like? Unanswered, but it did produce copy/paste able code
We're talking about constructing a binary command string using bit shifting. Its a little cryptic, but basically it amounts to "shift the logical true/false you want into the place that indicates what it means." The domain was described by an also-cryptic datasheet, but one that could be read.
December 10, 2025 at 8:23 AM
We're talking about constructing a binary command string using bit shifting. Its a little cryptic, but basically it amounts to "shift the logical true/false you want into the place that indicates what it means." The domain was described by an also-cryptic datasheet, but one that could be read.
I just watched for half an hour only asking open questions from the perspective of the actor, as one does when they want to diagnose a process problem. If you've watched someone gamble, its exactly the same.
December 10, 2025 at 8:21 AM
I just watched for half an hour only asking open questions from the perspective of the actor, as one does when they want to diagnose a process problem. If you've watched someone gamble, its exactly the same.
The first time I saw someone using LLMs IRL was when thet were stuck on a problem for a full month that made no sense, and then when I tried to rubber duck with them it became clear that the LLM had just been progressively leading them astray. Fixed in 5 minutes by "running the code."
December 10, 2025 at 8:18 AM
The first time I saw someone using LLMs IRL was when thet were stuck on a problem for a full month that made no sense, and then when I tried to rubber duck with them it became clear that the LLM had just been progressively leading them astray. Fixed in 5 minutes by "running the code."
Oh please let me pay this uber run on suffering to take me an unknowable distance from my destination
December 10, 2025 at 7:50 AM
Oh please let me pay this uber run on suffering to take me an unknowable distance from my destination
Fuck values, fuck people, fuck everything except getting wall-e'd out on a morphine drip of our own personal everything box, that's inevitable, and I might as well get in on the ground floor
December 10, 2025 at 7:48 AM
Fuck values, fuck people, fuck everything except getting wall-e'd out on a morphine drip of our own personal everything box, that's inevitable, and I might as well get in on the ground floor
So "inevitability" sounds like someone took a dead-eyed look into the future where public spaces are depeopled, the machinery of daily life is automated, and we're drip fed connection and information by a half dozen people who own everything - and they decided they want to get in on that
December 10, 2025 at 7:46 AM
So "inevitability" sounds like someone took a dead-eyed look into the future where public spaces are depeopled, the machinery of daily life is automated, and we're drip fed connection and information by a half dozen people who own everything - and they decided they want to get in on that
Its like we've gotten so used to unaccounted for externalities we wanted to bring them home with us. "The river is on fire and the chemical plant made a billion dollars" is the same as "I saved a week of writing by generating a dumpster fire"
December 10, 2025 at 7:41 AM
Its like we've gotten so used to unaccounted for externalities we wanted to bring them home with us. "The river is on fire and the chemical plant made a billion dollars" is the same as "I saved a week of writing by generating a dumpster fire"
Yes, programming has sticky religions that gatekeep access. The part of vibe coding I have loved to see is people making personal tools for themselves with no expectation of correctness. That does *not mean* that "replacing mean stack overflow with ego preserving god oracle" is a good change
December 10, 2025 at 7:38 AM
Yes, programming has sticky religions that gatekeep access. The part of vibe coding I have loved to see is people making personal tools for themselves with no expectation of correctness. That does *not mean* that "replacing mean stack overflow with ego preserving god oracle" is a good change
I have yet to see an example of vibe coding working in mature FOSS projects because, again, its fundamentally anti-social. Its *rude* to shit code on the repo and ask other people to clean it up. Ive only seen single-author clickscam SaaS. If you know of a counterexample, @ me, I want to see it.
December 10, 2025 at 7:34 AM
I have yet to see an example of vibe coding working in mature FOSS projects because, again, its fundamentally anti-social. Its *rude* to shit code on the repo and ask other people to clean it up. Ive only seen single-author clickscam SaaS. If you know of a counterexample, @ me, I want to see it.
i keep a list of preposterous vibe coding examples, and if anyone thinks the LLMs make your more efficient, I don't know of any other technology that has made experienced software devs spend thousands a week and a month of team labor to do nondeterministic regex
December 10, 2025 at 7:32 AM
i keep a list of preposterous vibe coding examples, and if anyone thinks the LLMs make your more efficient, I don't know of any other technology that has made experienced software devs spend thousands a week and a month of team labor to do nondeterministic regex
I keep probing and looking for a critical angle on it but there really isnt much. Its just that people are suckers and slot machines are extremely addictive.
December 10, 2025 at 7:29 AM
I keep probing and looking for a critical angle on it but there really isnt much. Its just that people are suckers and slot machines are extremely addictive.
Live programming at a workshop is always a bold move, but I actually always go to the LLM workshops and demos at every conference because without fail it goes
"Its perfect, information is complete"
*nothing works and every pre-staged example still manages to fail*
"Behold, the future"
"Its perfect, information is complete"
*nothing works and every pre-staged example still manages to fail*
"Behold, the future"
December 10, 2025 at 7:27 AM
Live programming at a workshop is always a bold move, but I actually always go to the LLM workshops and demos at every conference because without fail it goes
"Its perfect, information is complete"
*nothing works and every pre-staged example still manages to fail*
"Behold, the future"
"Its perfect, information is complete"
*nothing works and every pre-staged example still manages to fail*
"Behold, the future"