So basically, they are trying to get as close as possible to withdrawing from the UNFCCC completely, without it being considered withdrawing from a ratified treaty and requiring approval from a supermajority in the senate?

Ikke uenig i det heller. Men poenget mitt var at snittprisen ikke gir et godt bilde på hvor mye snitt*kostnadene* faktisk har steget, særlig ikke hva de ville vært uten timebasert strømstøtte. Man får ikke folk med seg ved å prøve å bagatellisere det.

Ja, det er i overkant høylytt klaging i noen grupper. Men "snittet" blir som regel feil. De fleste steder som publiserer snittpriser, tar snitt over tid, ikke per brukt kWh. Mye av forbruket skjer i de timene prisen er høyest, så økningen i hva folk faktisk betaler er høyere enn "snittet".

Do you mean uncertainty in the LUC emission estimate? That's the yellow band that takes up most of the chart. So yes, pretty uncertain.

You didn't address building coal plants despite low utilization of existing ones here. That's hardly a cost-saving move. That recent coal-building sprees coincided first with delegating approval to provinces and then with major blackouts suggest that politics and stability concerns are major factors

You didn't address building coal plants despite low utilization of existing ones here. That's hardly a cost-saving move. That recent coal-building sprees coincided first with delegating approval to provinces and then with major blackouts suggest that politics and stability concerns are major factors

Could you say exactly how, quantitatively, the economics changed in 2023 relative to 2022? In particular in China, where capital costs don't generally follow the same logic as in the west? I'm genuinely interested to hear.

Could you say exactly how, quantitatively, the economics changed in 2023 relative to 2022? In particular in China, where capital costs don't generally follow the same logic as in the west? I'm genuinely interested to hear.

"China focuses on cost". Do you have something to back up that statement, or that cost is the main reason why coal has continued to grow alongside renewables? It doesn't mesh well with the fact that they continue to build new coal plants despite using only half the capacity of their existing ones.

"China focuses on cost". Do you have something to back up that statement, or that cost is the main reason why coal has continued to grow alongside renewables? It doesn't mesh well with the fact that they continue to build new coal plants despite using only half the capacity of their existing ones.

That's not wrong. But the issue is high energy demand growth, which would need to come down. Solar expansion in China in 2023 was off the charts, but coal still grew because both electricity and total energy demand growth was even higher. Cost isn't necessarily the issue anymore.

That's not wrong. But the issue is high energy demand growth, which would need to come down. Solar expansion in China in 2023 was off the charts, but coal still grew because both electricity and total energy demand growth was even higher. Cost isn't necessarily the issue anymore.