It looks significant 😂

Why would they ? No week-end for them ....

Your comment is so right, but most likely, it won't make scientists think twice ...
There is something so weird about asking bees to measure abstract duration and then conclude "eureka, bees track time" while these animals have survived millions of years in world in which time is all that matters

I did not read it all but several sections. I think it's excellent. Very balanced position. I invited Mazviita to give a talk in our neuroscience institute and this was very useful and fun! Neuroscience needs philosophy! It's true the first two chapters are intense but hey its ok to struggle

Thanks for sharing, it indeed sounds exciting!
If you really can't wait , there is also an open-access version,
direct.mit.edu/books/oa-mon...

I am not saying that animals do not feel time. They do! But more in the sense of urgency and boredom. Thinking that they perceive an event long or short is assuming they can make the same alignment we do between felt time (urgency/boredom) and observed change (distance traveled by a shadow).

I agree with the last part of your comment (humans have rich episodic memories). The problem is this notion of subjective time perception. It is a mixed concept in which time and space are "confused" to say: this movie was too long. I don't think it applies to most animals (at least rodents).

What is more problematic is the statement that humans and other animals solve time estimation tasks in qualitatively similar manner. That is just plain wrong. Rats do not measure duration

Thanks Jerome. Indeed, I disagree with the way Gyorgy restricts the experienced time to a subjective measurement. This is re-injected clock time in experienced time (time and space). But this is a complicated (philosophical) topic and most of the community makes this confusion

the been went first for toward the long stimulus and then toward the short, can you explain ?

Totally agree with you, especially about dexterity ! Regarding cognition I think there are exciting things to investigate in rodent which can be relevant for humans, but for this we need to stop asking rodents to behave like primates (but this is debatable)

Britton, you don't think understanding voluntary movements can still gain for rodent neuroscience ?

As the days of animal experimentation appear counted, I am not sure that a dividing stance inside the neuroscience community (e.g., only non-human primate research can give insight for human brain function) is the way to go. I'd say that it will only speed up that process.

I will, I should have preprinted it 12 months ago but now that I look at it again I feel it needs some more work. Will keep you posted. thanks for your work

yes sorry, character limits in posts here ...

Ce qui est grave c'est de présupposer qu'il faille nécessairement se passer d'experimentation animale. C'est un choix de société possible mais qui aura des conséquences néfastes. Faire croire qu'on peut comprendre le vivant dans une boite de pétri 🤔🤐...C'est la recherche qui est dans le viseur

Looks so relevant to our work. The skill to give feedback and receive it ....a neverending process. All my collaborative failures (and success) came down to wether feedback could be exchanged... No Zoom link ?

Thanks! Super relevant and I did nt know about it!

philsci-archive.pitt.edu/24834/