Thank you, @stephenaj.bsky.social ! This is all fascinating - the continuity and the meandering, the variations and the innovations.

We also need context of your comparandum, @stephenaj.bsky.social 🙏🏻! But first a question: I the Saint Germain example, do you think there is any meaning to 12 o clock being aligned with Leo? Also more generally, since this zodiac is an unmoving relief, is it only ornamental - standing for the year?

This little rabbit hole led me to discover clochers.org which has many more bell towers and clocks! 🕛🔔

And personally, based on what I presented: I would like to keep on thinking of 1) things that come in sets of ##; 2) of poems as lists; and 3) of the relationship between those poetic vehicles of order in relation to diagrams that also order, relate and create.

Indeed. There is a lot to be sad about the divorce of the scientific and the literary/the poetic and what this says about contemporary imagining of science, scientific practice, and those who perform it. It is astonishing how pervasive the idea that "this has always been so" is and how incorrect.

I think someone is You!

As for the lack of a hybrid option, I know it is frustrating but I wanted to preserve the workshop feeling as much as I could.

You know me well because, of course, this was my "secret" agenda all along! If you have any suggestions for people to approach, please share and of course, if you would like to contribute an instrument poem or a poem on an instrument, it would be fab!

Previously, Stamatina led the working group Heavens in Your Hand at the @mpiwg.bsky.social , Berlin. Her research focuses on ancient astronomy and its material culture.

Stamatina Mastorakou (@smasto.bsky.social) is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Classics at the University of Pittsburgh (www.classics.pitt.edu/people/stama...). She holds a PhD in the history of ancient astronomy from Imperial College, London.

She is pointing to the starry 💫🌌sphere above them. The book 📖lying on the ground before the globe perhaps represents Aratus' "Phaenomena". It seems that the celestial globe 🌐on the tripod is a mimesis of the real night sky 🌌above it.

Aratus, whose name is written in Greek just above his head (ΑΡΑΤΟC), is pointing on a celestial globe🌐. The globe rests on a three-legged stand and has a few stars ✨on it. The muse of astronomy Urania is depicted on the other side of the globe 🌐with her name inscribed (ΟΥΡΑΝΙΑΙ).

Beyond literary sources, material culture also depicts Aratus with celestial globes🌐 and manuscripts✍️, often alongside Urania, the Muse of Astronomy—cementing his role as the public face of astronomy, e.g. on this 6th-C silver plate (Private Collection, UK): isaw.nyu.edu/exhibitions/...

Even Hipparchus, the famous astronomer, felt compelled to compare it with Eudoxus’ work, noting its widespread use, despite some errors he points out.