is this available?

Maureen, what happened to those acres? My intuition is they went into feed for meat and dairy production. Correct?

*dispossession and public finance!

The only time Karl Marx and JE Caribes agreed in real time

I’ve spent a lot of time reading broadly Marxist critiques. It’s very good at critique! But the positive side is distinctly missing and there’s not nearly enough serious reflection on why the actual communist governments went so wrong.

Fair enough!

a lot of this looks interesting but very Marxian and, at least in my experience, that has been a fruitful vantage for recognizing and analyzing discipline in capitalism but not for thinking about it beyond that

the question is whether identity as a motivation can be generalized to all essential jobs in a way that doesn't foster invidious comparisons and/or a sclerotic society of crystallized occupational categories, because down that path lies something like a caste system

this is the theory of bringing back workmanship, pride of craft etc.

It is but we are, arguably, (1) socialized to a high degree of self-discipline by the process of literally mastering a discipline; (2) not doing anything especially useful or necessary. But just applies to tenure-line folks at research unis. Even here there are teaching and admin responsibilities

ugh, not an encouraging one...

I'm not confident that "passionate voluntarism" is a viable general principle for society. If it were, I'd like to hear more about what it means. Seems to me that actual voluntarism is full of moral & communal, sometimes contractual, obligation. That, in turn, seems to require a kind of discipline.

It's an interesting question whether "discipline" is inherently "coercive." But anyway, what kinds of answers has anarcho-syndicalism produced?

Right, my question is what does discipline look like beyond the status quo? What would be an egalitarian form of discipline?

you're talking about disciplining the wealthy but I'm asking about disciplining everyone else, presuming some kind of discipline will not only still be socially necessary, but an essential element of subjectivity formation

I don't disagree but I think you're missing what I'm asking. I want to think about this not as a practical question given the current historical moment but in more general terms.

Wealth taxes wouldn't have to be global w/capital controls & there's no theoretical reason not to have a global wealth tax convention. My question is, then what? If we agree that some disagreeable work has to be done, and perhaps some more ought to be done, how can that be allocated equitably?

that's motivating the question. what would happen if we solved that politics?

No, I want to think about it as a general problem, as in if you were to solve the politics of Kalecki's political business cycle and still needed to get people to do some kind of work in a democratic way, what would that look like?