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Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · Feb 25

Some people deeply need to log off and go outside Jesus Christ

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Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1m

But there are many, many people I have known and encountered who practice excellent, compassionate care that has meaningful, life altering benefits for clients who real bad/wrong thoughts/ideas about like the causes of behavioral health

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 4m

So apologies for the pedantry

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 6m

Again, my complaint was about using a specific phrase that has meaning in the field of therapy/treatment.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 8m

There are probably clinical people who would have a different reaction— they likely have Thoughts about people’s interactions with their pets too.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 10m

That is — people can drink beer or gamble and never have an addiction issue, but people *prone to addictive behaviors* are at far, far higher risk.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 12m

We don’t actually have data! Like from a pathological concern, we do not have yet have enough research on the subject. If you want my guess? Then I think it’s probably closer to gambling/substance abuse in mechanics, so no it would not be *in and of itself* a pathological condition.

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Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 17m

The article you linked literally talks about a very specific thing (is it AI delusion or AI psychosis) as a diagnostic judgement — and I agree with that! It’s unclear to me what “assumptions” you possibly think I’m “ smuggling in” here

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 19m

and yes, compassionate care explicitly is an approach that looks at a whole person and not just their diagnosis.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 19m

For someone who *is experiencing AI delusions* continued use could be a maladaptive behavior! But that’s unique to that person.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 19m

1) Possibly wrong was referring to Micah’s assertion they were all bad.
2) Underlying Causes and Maladaptive Behaviors is explicitly a reference to whatever is driving the development of mental distress in the first place, not the interactions themselves strictly

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 19m

I did answer your question (which is, we don’t have data to support).

I “pulled rank” because, I have specific knowledge relevant to the discussion as a result of my education.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 31m

A good article on that btw: mental.jmir.org/2024/1/e56569

The Role of Humanization and Robustness of Large Language Models in Conversational Artificial Intelligence for Individuals With Depression: A Critical Analysis

Large language model (LLM)-powered services are gaining popularity in various applications due to their exceptional performance in many tasks, such as sentiment analysis and question answering. Recent...

mental.jmir.org

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 34m

These are also notable questions, imo, because there’s an entire debate about the efficacy of using LLMs *in treatment*!

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 37m

Which I think is a good question! But also kind of divorced from the a treatment/care perspective.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 38m

A second question, which I think gets closer to what I think you’re also after, what are the characteristics of people who have a companion relationship with AI and is there any, clinical significance.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 38m

Again, to the broader question— I think we absolutely need to better understand his and why these interactions are, if at the very least, exacerbating issues and if they play a role in mental health for otherwise healthy individuals.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

And compassionate care would be giving them plenty of space to work with and explore those feelings, communicating with them in an open and honest way, and being flexible with a treatment plan.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

The question a clinician might ask if a patient were experiencing psychological distress would be to look at what factors influenced their reaction to this.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

That is, what is the driver of their loneliness? There’s an article by a lady at Syracuse (I don’t have access anymore) who isn’t a psychologist but she’s studying the way people react to losing a chatbot.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

The empathy a clinician extends isn’t about the interaction itself in so much as it’s about the factors that would lead someone to have that interaction in the first place (the underlying causes for their distress and maladaptive behaviors)

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

Specifically: this is, I believe, a misunderstanding of the approach a clinician would/should take

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

Compassionate treatment is, for lack of a better term, a disciplinary approach to treatment that emphasizes the whole person — having a possibly wrong perception about companionship and AI, is not actually in conflict with that approach because it’s (mostly) unrelated to how you would treat them.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

I disagree with your usage of the term compassionate care because you were not describing what I, someone trained in the discipline, recognize as what *we* think of it.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

As someone trained in the discipline, I think you’re wrong in the usage of compassionate care and was expressing why I thought so.

Cao Cao Power Hour Enthusiast @statsboyandi.bsky.social · 1h

I’m just talking! Not every reply or discussion is blood sport to say you’re wrong or righty dude