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Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс

@reyzlgrace.bsky.social

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Russian American writer, translator, and aspiring lesbian tradwife to @erswrites.bsky.social. Into Silver Age/early Soviet art & lit, theology & church history, Steely Dan. Twice dubbed "the Simone Biles of sex". Россия будет свободной. www.reyzlgrace.com

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Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

A lot of people's inability to grasp the Trinity suggests to me that they are not doing enough fun role-play with their partners.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

I just gave you two famous examples.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

Unquestionably true of them. I have not been talking about them.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

Oh, I'm *definitely* not running any apologetics for them.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

Yeah, Edith Stein and Sophia Parnok were really hellbent on destroying the Jewish people. 🙄

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

That would seem to allow for Messianics, then.

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Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

That's fair. Because of my background, I tend to think of E. European Jews who converted to Catholicism or Orthodoxy but still felt connected to their communities & understood themselves as culturally/ethnically Ashkenazi--people who had icons in their houses but still quoted Sholem Aleichem.

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Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

Historically, though, it was also a lot of people who converted but still spoke Yiddish/Ladino/Hebrew/etc., and still cared about the community, and didn't want to be exiled for their consciences.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

So that would put us at, "Christian Jews are still Jews, but the rabbis don't like the way they do it." That makes sense to me.

(Though, as an aside, Christians *don't* believe in more than one God. They believe in the same, one God.)

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Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 1h

Yes, thank you.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 2h

Undoubtedly. But Florence's position made Jews lose status for converting to Christianity, but not for atheism. I hear this commonly. Why is not believing in Jesus seemingly the *only* non-negotiable, essential Jewish belief(/practice) above all others?

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Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 2h

I'm asking, "Why does accepting Christian teaching make someone not Jewish?" (Especially in the eyes of people who do still regard atheist Jews as Jewish, or Jews who practice Buddhism as Jewish, etc.)

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 2h

Which, coming back to the original point of the thread, is not a renunciation of his Jewishness. It's an understanding of Christianity as completely compatible with it.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 2h

Jesus isn't a god before him. He's literally the same God.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 2h

No.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 2h

For Paul, there isn't an "old one" and a "new one"--there's just one ongoing revelation of God to the world.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 2h

I mean that, as far as I understand, the ontology of Krishna is more similar to "the angel of the Lord" in the Tanakh--not an illusion, but a manifestation in which the manifest divinity appears in human form but is not human. Jesus isn't embodied instrumentally, but essentially in his own nature.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 4h

He is "true man" in a way that Krishna, for example, is not.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 4h

His physical "beingness" *wasn't* "overwritten", though. That's the entire point of the Incarnation.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 4h

I accept full responsibility.

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Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 4h

An avatar isn't ontologically embodied. Claiming Jesus was an avatar was defined as a heresy (docetism).

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 4h

An incarnation is not an avatar.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 4h

I mean, if "There is no God and he did nothing for us," is alright, it's hard to see how "The Torah has some typos" will be beyond the Pale.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 5h

I would argue that conversion to Islam is also not intrinsically a renunciation of Jewish identity.

Reyzl Grace | Завета Грейс @reyzlgrace.bsky.social · 5h

They have essentially the same attitude to Mosaic Law--one deeply at odds with most historical understandings of valid Jewish praxis.