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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 9h

Hey @pluppin.bsky.social, would you mind terribly initiating a DM with me since yours aren't open at the moment?

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 24d

This method of appealing is only for the owner of the account. If you want to appeal on behalf of someone else, you just report the account to us again, writing an explanation about why you think the label should be removed.

Reported accounts that already have a label will behave as appeals.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 25d

In the future, you should file an appeal following our FAQ, this is a lot more streamlined for us.

The label was applied about a year ago, when the profile had a different set of pictures.

I have removed the label.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 27d

I'll add I was the one to receive the report a few days ago.

I was like "W-What?! Biscuit?! No fucking way."

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 27d

In the case of that extra finger, if you look closely, it's a copy-paste of the one next to it. It's basically a pixel-per-pixel copy of the same curve. Noticed by another team member.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 27d

We've seen cases where people are posting "start to finish" processes from Procreate, where they are drawing like a CNC printer, perfect line art from the get-go, one line stopping right where the next one will cross.

Note that you can hide layers in Procreate when doing a time-lapse recording.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 27d

So, there IS something for this that's being adopted slowly but surely: contentauthenticity.org

It's a cryptographic watermark embedded deep in pictures. Even cameras.

I am personally cautiously optimistic this can have a real positive impact on the problems we are facing at the moment. We'll see.

Content Authenticity Initiative

Join the movement for content authenticity and provenance. The CAI is a global community promoting adoption of the C2PA Content Credentials standard.

contentauthenticity.org

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 27d

To reiterate what we have in our FAQ: we take accusations of AI assistance very seriously, and we usually spend a lot of time as a team to dissect the proofs and material given to us. And we also tend to err on the side of caution.

A "maaaaaaaaybe?" wouldn't warrant a label.

Very time consuming.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 27d

Hah, thanks. We didn't think to look at the hues there. I guess this is now something we ALSO have to look for: doctored pictures to make them look like gen-AI.

Great.

As if we didn't have a lot of work to do already.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

It turns out it's heavily delayed: bsky.app/profile/anti...

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

A bit more on this. We now believe that:

- It depends on which PDS the viewing account is located.
- It's transient, as in, it eventually syncs up with time.

Additionally:

It ALSO happens when we remove a label. It keeps showing for hours or days before eventually disappearing for everyone.

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

We are seeing a new problem with the labeler. We have no idea if it affects other labelers, but we're wondering if it has anything to do with the temporary suspension that happened on the account.

Basically, labels stop showing for SOME people.

Example for this post here:

bsky.app/profile/did:...

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

It turns out it's heavily delayed:

bsky.app/profile/anti...

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

A bit more on this. We now believe that:

- It depends on which PDS the viewing account is located.
- It's transient, as in, it eventually syncs up with time.

Additionally:

It ALSO happens when we remove a label. It keeps showing for hours or days before eventually disappearing for everyone.

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

We are seeing a new problem with the labeler. We have no idea if it affects other labelers, but we're wondering if it has anything to do with the temporary suspension that happened on the account.

Basically, labels stop showing for SOME people.

Example for this post here:

bsky.app/profile/did:...

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

If such a lag exists when propagating labels across PDS, then third party moderation labels will only be relegated to being gimmicks that can't really be trusted.

While this may be a good technical decision, I don't think it's a good user experience one.

Please consider investigating, @bsky.app.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

I can appreciate the need for the throttling of the synchronization of labels from an infrastructure's perspective, to avoid overwhelming the network, if that's what's happening here.

But then it makes the third party moderation system fairly moot for urgent and important matters.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

Many people are now depending on our labels to identify what is ai-generated from what's real.

Not being instant, and not having a consistent appview between users diminishes the credibility of the moderation system, in case of breaking news or similar time-sensitive event.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

This used to be instant, but something changed with Bluesky. Label changes now propagate very slowly, and without consistency between PDS.

This honestly isn't ideal, because in a rapidly evolving world, having a proper third party moderation system that can react instantly is crucial.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 28d

A bit more on this. We now believe that:

- It depends on which PDS the viewing account is located.
- It's transient, as in, it eventually syncs up with time.

Additionally:

It ALSO happens when we remove a label. It keeps showing for hours or days before eventually disappearing for everyone.

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

We are seeing a new problem with the labeler. We have no idea if it affects other labelers, but we're wondering if it has anything to do with the temporary suspension that happened on the account.

Basically, labels stop showing for SOME people.

Example for this post here:

bsky.app/profile/did:...

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

This is a test post for the labeler. It should show the label "AI-informative" on it.

It has been generated using Google's Gemini, using the prompt "Generate an image which is a simple horizontal gradient from blue to red."

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

We don't know. We're trying to understand the patterns for a proper bug report.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

If people can spread the word, and report here whether or not they can see the label, and where, it'd be useful.

Thank you for your help!

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

We don't know how widespread the issue is, but this is definitely a very problematic bug. We don't know if it affects other labelers. We don't know how to solve it ourselves.

We'll need @bsky.app's help on this one. We're going to try filing a bug for it, but we need a bit more data.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

It seems to happen on desktop browsers, on mobile phones, everywhere, for the same exact set of accounts, so it seems related to the account, not to the application or the machine used, but we've also had reports internally that it may also change from one machine to another.

This is really weird.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

We discussed amongst the team. Everyone is having the same issue. All of our "old" main accounts are showing the label properly. All of our newer alt accounts aren't.

We tried various things like unsubscribing and resubscribing, changing settings, clearing caches, to no avail.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

On this account, and on my NSFW account, this is what I see. The label is just completely missing.

Once again a screenshot of the same quoted post, but this time, no label is showed underneath the username.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

On my main account, this is what I see. The label is properly applied, and everything's fine.

A screenshot of the quoted post above. The "AI Informative" label is properly showing up on it, right underneath the username.

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

We are seeing a new problem with the labeler. We have no idea if it affects other labelers, but we're wondering if it has anything to do with the temporary suspension that happened on the account.

Basically, labels stop showing for SOME people.

Example for this post here:

bsky.app/profile/did:...

Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

This is a test post for the labeler. It should show the label "AI-informative" on it.

It has been generated using Google's Gemini, using the prompt "Generate an image which is a simple horizontal gradient from blue to red."

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Volunteer moderator for @aimod.social @antifae.bsky.social · 29d

This is a test post for the labeler. It should show the label "AI-informative" on it.

It has been generated using Google's Gemini, using the prompt "Generate an image which is a simple horizontal gradient from blue to red."

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