Omni Jacala
@artsyomni.com
2d/3d artist, designer, Drizzle Games co-founder. Indie dev on Gutsy the Guinea Pig & new games. Curiomatic co-founder. Chronic whistler. Physically incapable of tl;dr.
By dilution, I guess I mean that it takes away from its categorization potential. If all human creative output is art, then additional qualifiers need to be appended to it to be more precise.
November 12, 2025 at 8:20 PM
By dilution, I guess I mean that it takes away from its categorization potential. If all human creative output is art, then additional qualifiers need to be appended to it to be more precise.
Just seeing Luigi and Mario both on bikes riding together through the desert gave me a lot of hope.
November 12, 2025 at 7:49 PM
Just seeing Luigi and Mario both on bikes riding together through the desert gave me a lot of hope.
obviously the garbage pail kids
November 12, 2025 at 7:44 PM
obviously the garbage pail kids
I'm tempted to play armchair psychologist and attempt to interrogate why you gravitate toward art having a much broader definition as opposed to what is maybe a more common definition, but maybe that's better left alone. =P But I appreciate your replies either way!
November 12, 2025 at 7:41 PM
I'm tempted to play armchair psychologist and attempt to interrogate why you gravitate toward art having a much broader definition as opposed to what is maybe a more common definition, but maybe that's better left alone. =P But I appreciate your replies either way!
This is legitimately the most fun I've had on social media in years.
November 12, 2025 at 7:37 PM
This is legitimately the most fun I've had on social media in years.
Interesting wrinkle. You have a perception of some art being "proper" and other art not being proper. Do you suspect that for many people, what you consider "proper art" contains the entire set of what they call "art?"
November 12, 2025 at 7:34 PM
Interesting wrinkle. You have a perception of some art being "proper" and other art not being proper. Do you suspect that for many people, what you consider "proper art" contains the entire set of what they call "art?"
Allow me to push a bit further: is every spoken word art? I imagine people generally construct their sentences with intention in order to ensure that meaning is evoked in a certain way by a recipient. Is there any danger that the word "art" is so broad that it's rendered trivial?
November 12, 2025 at 7:33 PM
Allow me to push a bit further: is every spoken word art? I imagine people generally construct their sentences with intention in order to ensure that meaning is evoked in a certain way by a recipient. Is there any danger that the word "art" is so broad that it's rendered trivial?
So would you assert that there can exist no human act of manipulating one or more components to create something with an identity separate of the components that doesn't fall under the label of "art?"
November 12, 2025 at 7:28 PM
So would you assert that there can exist no human act of manipulating one or more components to create something with an identity separate of the components that doesn't fall under the label of "art?"
I hope anyone reading this knows that I'm not trying to be combative in my responses. I'm just genuinely curious about digging deeper into people's perspectives.
November 12, 2025 at 7:13 PM
I hope anyone reading this knows that I'm not trying to be combative in my responses. I'm just genuinely curious about digging deeper into people's perspectives.
So would you assert that no human-made thing is *only* function?
November 12, 2025 at 7:11 PM
So would you assert that no human-made thing is *only* function?
Furthermore, is art exclusively a human thing? If a beaver constructs a dam out of sticks, it's transformative, but it's also purely functional. Is it not art to the beaver because it lacks the cognitive capacity to consider it?
November 12, 2025 at 7:10 PM
Furthermore, is art exclusively a human thing? If a beaver constructs a dam out of sticks, it's transformative, but it's also purely functional. Is it not art to the beaver because it lacks the cognitive capacity to consider it?
Not trying to be difficult, but just posing a challenge: if every book is art, does that include a furniture catalog? The instruction manual of a power drill? A doctoral thesis? My college argumentative essay?
"Art is art" doesn't really make it easier for me to contend with the question.
"Art is art" doesn't really make it easier for me to contend with the question.
November 12, 2025 at 7:10 PM
Not trying to be difficult, but just posing a challenge: if every book is art, does that include a furniture catalog? The instruction manual of a power drill? A doctoral thesis? My college argumentative essay?
"Art is art" doesn't really make it easier for me to contend with the question.
"Art is art" doesn't really make it easier for me to contend with the question.
Like, me posting a facebook status isn't art, is it? I wrote a thing, but it's not poetry or prose. It's just communication. And if art is just communication, then we don't need the word "art."
November 12, 2025 at 7:04 PM
Like, me posting a facebook status isn't art, is it? I wrote a thing, but it's not poetry or prose. It's just communication. And if art is just communication, then we don't need the word "art."
I think to say "all forms of expression" is art is too broad. That renders the word unnecessary. I think there's more to it than that. Maybe all forms of expression conveyed in a medium that allows for its audience to experience it as something more than its component parts.
November 12, 2025 at 7:04 PM
I think to say "all forms of expression" is art is too broad. That renders the word unnecessary. I think there's more to it than that. Maybe all forms of expression conveyed in a medium that allows for its audience to experience it as something more than its component parts.
I mean, you're probably memeing a bit, but jokes aside: does failing to produce art of a sufficient quality disqualify it from the label of art? I'm betting a lot of people would dispute that idea.
(I know nothing about Garfield Kart 2. Is it bad? =P)
(I know nothing about Garfield Kart 2. Is it bad? =P)
November 12, 2025 at 6:55 PM
I mean, you're probably memeing a bit, but jokes aside: does failing to produce art of a sufficient quality disqualify it from the label of art? I'm betting a lot of people would dispute that idea.
(I know nothing about Garfield Kart 2. Is it bad? =P)
(I know nothing about Garfield Kart 2. Is it bad? =P)
It's also possible that I'm being pedantic or getting lost in semantics.
November 12, 2025 at 6:47 PM
It's also possible that I'm being pedantic or getting lost in semantics.
I think the indisputable fact is that video games are a medium. But I'm less certain that whether everything created in that medium is art is as cut and dry.
November 12, 2025 at 6:47 PM
I think the indisputable fact is that video games are a medium. But I'm less certain that whether everything created in that medium is art is as cut and dry.
One reply asserts that painting, music, cooking, film, are mediums through which art can be created, and video games are another medium, but not everything within a medium is art.
A film is expressed through a video (a series of frames), but is a recording from an iPhone of a cool bug I found art?
A film is expressed through a video (a series of frames), but is a recording from an iPhone of a cool bug I found art?
November 12, 2025 at 6:47 PM
One reply asserts that painting, music, cooking, film, are mediums through which art can be created, and video games are another medium, but not everything within a medium is art.
A film is expressed through a video (a series of frames), but is a recording from an iPhone of a cool bug I found art?
A film is expressed through a video (a series of frames), but is a recording from an iPhone of a cool bug I found art?
"Everything is [art], Dash"
"Which is another way of saying [nothing] is."
I don't know that I agree with this hypothetical sentiment, but it does give me something to think about.
"Which is another way of saying [nothing] is."
I don't know that I agree with this hypothetical sentiment, but it does give me something to think about.
November 12, 2025 at 6:39 PM
"Everything is [art], Dash"
"Which is another way of saying [nothing] is."
I don't know that I agree with this hypothetical sentiment, but it does give me something to think about.
"Which is another way of saying [nothing] is."
I don't know that I agree with this hypothetical sentiment, but it does give me something to think about.
Do you think that there's any validity to the concern that "art" encompassing every human creation is so broad that it becomes diluted? A mass produced piece of silverware has a presumably human designer, so does that make the product itself art?
(I guess we have to contend with AI design now...)
(I guess we have to contend with AI design now...)
November 12, 2025 at 6:33 PM
Do you think that there's any validity to the concern that "art" encompassing every human creation is so broad that it becomes diluted? A mass produced piece of silverware has a presumably human designer, so does that make the product itself art?
(I guess we have to contend with AI design now...)
(I guess we have to contend with AI design now...)
What do you think of the idea of something that isn't art as a whole, but contains components that are individually considered art? For example, is an art museum art in itself, or does it need to be designed in a certain way by an architect to warrant that label?
November 12, 2025 at 5:51 PM
What do you think of the idea of something that isn't art as a whole, but contains components that are individually considered art? For example, is an art museum art in itself, or does it need to be designed in a certain way by an architect to warrant that label?
I'm willing to be that at least one person advocates very strongly for the artistic status of pong.
November 12, 2025 at 5:49 PM
I'm willing to be that at least one person advocates very strongly for the artistic status of pong.
If you believe all games are art, why is it important for all games to fall under that label? If not, where is the line drawn?
November 12, 2025 at 5:45 PM
If you believe all games are art, why is it important for all games to fall under that label? If not, where is the line drawn?
But are all games attempting to convey something? Even the most cash-grabby, microtransaction-laden mobile game or the simplest falling block puzzle game?
(I’m not trying to deny it, btw, I’m just probing)
(I’m not trying to deny it, btw, I’m just probing)
November 12, 2025 at 5:30 PM
But are all games attempting to convey something? Even the most cash-grabby, microtransaction-laden mobile game or the simplest falling block puzzle game?
(I’m not trying to deny it, btw, I’m just probing)
(I’m not trying to deny it, btw, I’m just probing)