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Aaron Lerner @aaronclerner.bsky.social · 14h

Dale Johnson is out in his backyard right now, scything through his poor child's legs to demonstrate why that's not a foul.

cc: @onepointsevensixacr.es

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 14h

Or put it differently - I don't think he was looking for the penalty at all.

I think he tried to stay on his feet, which is what people say they want attackers to do, then couldn't keep his balance and fell.

If you want attackers to try to stay up, you need to give the penalty when they can't!

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 14h

I don't think that is what happened.

I think he tried to stay on his feet but was off balanced, yanno, because he was fouled, and then fell over because of that.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 14h

So I have a partial answer for you.

If the referee has not seen that Kevin touched the ball, that is enough to satisfy the "clear and obvious error" threshold question.

From that point, they actually do re-referee the incident.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Agreed.

And then the challenge continued through Saka, taking him out entirely!

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Sounds about right.

But the "too unclear whether contact between knees was before part" would be a complete and total, indefensible lie.

There is zero question as to the sequence of events. To say otherwise is gaslighting.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Really curious to hear the VAR audio from the review of the Saka incident.

I want to know whether they saw and acknowledged that Kevin, indisputably, makes contact with Bukayo Saka's leg before getting his slight touch on the ball.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Oh man, with the (dreadful) VAR overturn, I'd completely forgotten that Viktor Gyokeres wasn't given a penalty when he spun his man in the box, who clumsily collided with him, causing him to eventually fall down.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Arsenal finished 10 points behind Liverpool last season. They're 3 points off making up that difference on improvement in equivalent fixtures this season already.

Orbinho @orbinho.bsky.social · 15h

Arsenal are seven points better off versus the equivalent fixtures from last season.

1 MUN A (+2)
3 LEE H (-)
1 LIV A (-1)
3 NFO H (0)
3 MCI H (-2)
0 NEW A (+3)
0 WHU H (+3)
1 FUL A (+2)

#FULARS

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Aaron Lerner @aaronclerner.bsky.social · 15h

We need to have a conversation about this extremely wrong (but pervasive) notion that "getting the ball" somehow erases what would otherwise be a foul.

That is not the Law. It has never been the Law.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

1-0 to Arsenal. A deserved win that shouldn't have been close at the end. But VAR had it's say and is a complete and total shambles.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Zubi - just fire that to the far post. You had so much space.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Bernd Leno with a really good double save on Gyokeres and then Martinelli.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

That wasn't an Arsenal corner.

It was, however, a borderline challenge from Bassey that if Zubimendi doesn't pull out of, probably ends up as a foul.

Pick your poison.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

Ryan Sessegnon has fouled Bukayo Saka three times this match. He hasn't been booked for any of them, despite being talked to early in the first half about it.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 15h

That is an absurd call to give to Kevin.

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Aaron Lerner @aaronclerner.bsky.social · 16h

So here's how I understand it:

If the referee hasn't seen, at all, that the defender has touched the ball, that throws the "clear and obvious" standard out the window and opens the incident up to total re-refereeing.

That's how the system is supposed to work, under the rules.

Goonersanti @goonersanti.bsky.social · 16h

It looks like the knee contact happens first, but it impossible to say either way.

In this case the on field call has to stay?

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

Cannot get over the determination that you can go through an opponent's leg so long as after you foul them, you touch the ball.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

*challenge not foul

but you knew what I meant

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

If I break a dude's leg with a reckless, dangerous foul but get the ball, it's still a red card, right?

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

You are very, very wrong. It's a clear foul and a stonewall penalty.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

"defender makes a challenge and plays the ball, therefore no foul"

HOW THE FUCK DO THE FUCKING REFEREES NOT KNOW THE LAWS OF THE GAME?

THERE IS NO FUCKING LAW THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT COMMIT A FOUL IF YOU TOUCH THE BALL.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

The angle from the top of the box is CLEAR that the contact happens before any touch on the ball.

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

Okay, but like. If you go THROUGH the man, making contact with the attacker before touching the ball, it's a foul!

And also, whatever happened to the supposedly higher bar for review this season?

Gone out the window, has it?

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The Short Fuse @theshortfuse.bsky.social · 16h

Lee Dixon is 100% wrong. There is significant contact high up on Bukayo Saka's leg before any contact is made on the ball.

This is ridiculous. This is re-refereeing the game. Again.

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