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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Sep 14

Happy 10 years, #undertale

A drawing I did of a bunch of Undertale characters.
On the bottom half, Frisk, posing with heart hands surrounding a red heart, is surrounded by, from left to right, Toriel, Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys, Sans, and Asgore, on a patch of golden flowers overlooking the sky. Flowey is on the left of Frisk in the flowers.
On the top half, upside down to mirror the other half, is a family photo of Toriel and Asgore standing behind their kids Chara and Asriel, who are both holding bouquets of golden flowers

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Sep 5

December Holiday energy fr

EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Sep 4

#deltarune
I can't make up my mind so I'm turning to screaming into an endless void and hoping someone will respond (peak Dess behaviour tbh)
Who and/or what is Ralsei referring to when he says "it" here? I've asked many people, gotten 4 responses, 3 of those being unique

A screenshot of Deltarune chapter 4 cropped to just show the text box. On the left is one of Ralsei's dialogue box sprites with his eyes closed. The text says
"* If someone's really
hurt, don't... try to
fix it alone, okay?"

This happens near the start of the Dark (First) Sanctuary after Kris and Susie fall through the prophecy and Kris hurts themselves and Susie tries to heal them but she can't and hears Ralsei and asks him for help and he heals them and then says this to Susie

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 28

Just as i was saying to people i was delaying drawing because i wanted to wait for stream

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 21

"Undertale fan attempts to read" this is not going to go well /j

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 17

Mike, that includes this post, but that doesn't matter since Shayy and their followers (Undertale fans) couldn't read it anyway and were just reacting to the happy froggit in the pfp /j
Wait if I am Undertale fan how did I read this post to reply? Eh I probably didn't since Undertale fans can't read

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 11

I have realised a week later I missed an r in Kris's last name

EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 7

The whole point of my original post was the 'who it was' doesnt matter to the 'who it is now' in terms of its pronouns and its pronouns as The Knight should only be determined by the now state (knight) and not the before state (dess, etc) even, especially when the knights lore focuses on the before?

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 7

Implying dark candy is not an object??
My point is it didnt lie and it isnt wrong, i dont know what the point you're trying to make is?

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 7

You can argue that the knight may not use they and queen, king, susie, etc just guessed wrong. But it uses it in its battle flavour text, neither kris nor the narration would lie ab that. But regardless, it never uses he or she, the point i was making in the first place that i feel has been lost

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 7

As i said earlier, from a meta sense, the narration/flavour text would have no reason to lie about a character's pronouns. Character a not knowing character b's pronouns is one thing, but the narration is above the story, and while its limiting sometimes, it doesnt lie

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 7

The flavour text mostly just narrates whats happening to the player, using 3rd person for everyone except kris whos typically in 2nd (most the time, but not all). Whats happening is limited to kris's knowledge, but that 3rd person perspective and therefore pronouns are beyond what kris could imagine

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 7

Flavour text is all knowing in the pronoun department for every other character, including most enemies who otherwise are never referred to in the 3rd person. And in a meta sense, the game would have no reason to lie about what pronouns are used in the flavour text.

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 7

We know king, queen, jevil, and maybe more know of the knight's desires, so it very well might have spoken to any or all of these ppl
And, as ive said prior, the all knowing flavour text doesnt need the knight's voice to know its pronouns. Arguing the origin of the pronouns is meaningless with this

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

Elaboration on why social anxiety doesnt apply:
Frisk post asriel fight is more than happy to talk to everyone, let everyone know their name, theyve literally been on dates with a few of them
Kris and Chara both more shy than frisk, but smaller group of people they know, so they are comfy with them

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

be called they. Theres no signs of transphobia existing in the ut and dr universe/s, which would be the only reason (other than like social anxiety and that doesnt apply here) you wouldnt correct someone who misgendered you for the first time (at least from personal experience))

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

Not that I think the argument works anyway, these characters can speak to each other, if they didnt want to be called they, they would ask to be called something else (ive heard this argument used against they/them frisk and chara so much and in sick of it, they would correct if they didnt want to

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

And the argument of "x uses they bc thats the default" doesnt even work in this case since it seems to be the knight's preferred pronoun over they, and it is not a default pronoun for people (and similar). And flavour text is all knowing for everyone else's pronouns, so tracks that that applies here

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

Why is the assumption "character uses they or it bc mysterious until proven otherwise", rather than the much more obvious "character uses they or it bc they want to until proven otherwise"? Like why is Kris's use of they the exception not the rule

EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

I specifically said in DR for a reason. Nowhere else that i can think of in DR (or for that matter UT but i could be wrong on that) has toby fox given a character pronouns for any reason other than thats what they use. DR is all about subverting trope expectations, why would this be any different

EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

When, anywhere else in the game, are a character's pronouns assigned to build suspense and not just because that character uses those pronouns? It feels very minimising to write off The Knight's it/they as intentionally "nondescript [and] vague" rather than just the pronouns it uses

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

If 'The Knight' were not a separate persona from whoever it was before, we would know who it was before.
And yeah, it/they might not be all the pronouns the knight ever has, but its all we have right now, so until proven otherwise, he and she is still misgendering

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

With our current knowledge, the knight identity is seperate from the person it was before, so theorising 'x is the knight' is not a justifiable reason to use x's pronouns for the knight. And even if the two identities are not seperate, we dont know who x is, and therefore what extra pronouns to use

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EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

I was not saying the who was not important to its characterisation or plot or anything, just it isnt a factor in its pronouns. Whether x became the knight willingly or was coerced or just a victim to the prophecy, the knight persona doesnt use he or she with our current knowlegde

EnbyCharlie628 @enbycharlie628.bsky.social · Aug 6

The flavour text in its battle exclusively uses it, so even if you don't think Queen is a trustworthy source, the flavour text is, and all that would bring up is whether they is the Knight's pronouns at all or just a guess by Queen and others

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